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Player Djed Spence
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Love Djed. Worried about him being dragged into the gutter by Ange like so many others
Like so many others whose only excellent performances at the highest level have also only ever come under Ange.
Udogie, Sarr, you could argue Van de Ven and Porro, these guys peaks as footballers, the reason we think they can play in the first place, is because of what they've done under Ange.
The tactics fail to get sufficient results for the team, sure, perfectly fair argument. He's broken players physically, hard to refute.
But on an individual level him turning players into worse versions of themselves just doesn't seem accurate at all and yet people keep saying so.
Udogie is a worse player now than before. Bentancur and Bissouma appear to have regressed. Son as well. Romero arguably worse- prob just his head gone though. VdV- broken physically. Richy- regressed. Porro- not improved, potentially worse at defending now. Johnson- unimproved. Solanke- not improved. Kulu- not improved, arguably has regressed. Lankshear- ignored. Moore- mostly been ill so far, in a natural development cycle hard to suppress even with bad coaching.
Reflecting on this- the poor form of these players seems to also correspond with our league position. I find that gives me more confidence in the assessments made above.
He absolutely is. But "before" was last season under Ange.
So much of the anti-Ange invective has come to be dead-certain claims that it would be impossible in a trillion years for Ange to accomplish things which he already accomplished last season.
As a matter of how fans ought to perceive him but ESPECIALLY as a way of understanding how Levy sees him, I think people need to acknowledge that (injury management aside) Ange has been a pretty good steward of the squad as a portfolio of assets.
High priced players have become totally useless deadwood that can't be on the field and can't be sold at any price all the time under previous managers. Not only has that not happened under Ange, he's brought prior deadwood back to life, see Djed.
You think our squad value has increased in this time, because of Ange?
Other than youngsters with inevitable growth cycles like Bergvall and Gray, and lucky fortune with Spence, I am not sure who you might be referring to that has grown in value as an asset because of Ange.
Is VdV sellable right now? Certainly not for anything close to what he would be worth if he could demonstrate consistent fitness. Romero is probably worth about the same now as he was at the end of the Conte season.
By accomplished do you mean that ten game run before other teams had look under the hood. And worked it out...them games are doing so much heavy lifting. Djed was never deadwood just ignored by small men.
I normally don't like social media stuff from players but I actually believe it from him as you can see he's giving 100%, or at least the very best he can do in any position. Need more characters like this, or these characters to change the atmosphere in the dressing room somehow
I take no position on whether it is BECAUSE of Ange.
But is our squad value higher than it was on the day Kane left? That's beyond any reasonable contestation, surely.
The value of the squad has been on an upward trajectory since the Nuno period. You look at those Nuno squads and bar Kane and Son his Forest teams are way WAY better man for man.
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I’m not sure about that at all. They may have burned brightly. But they have dimmed dramatically. It’s compound effect.
Most of these guys have only ever been seen by us under Ange. With alll of them the trajectory is downwards.
10 games has been well and truly debunked.
We had 16 game stretch from December that was better and we did it without VDV, Romero, Son, Sarr and Bissouma
The thing about the 10 games was it’s our best ever start to a season in the PL so people fixated on it and started to believe we could really challenge.
Truth is some of the football we played at the start of this season was better than the football we played in those 10 games.
That 16 game stretch what was the wins loses draws ratio...because 'better' seems a stretch. How many back to back wins we rack up.
W10 D3 L3, but we didn't really beat much of anybody nor did we advance in the table.
We did deliver a tonking at Villa Park I suppose.
All five of those players started in said tonking though.
He is defensively terrible he can't head ball constantly gets by passed with flighted deliveries out to the wing. He is a bang average fullback. He'd have to be David Beckham with the ball to warrant a place above Spence. It's not even close. But he can ping a ball and score the odd screamer. He is vastly over rated.
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Yep that's what I recall and we certainly were not 'better' than the first ten in any way I went to a lot of those games home and away.
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It's early days for Spence - in our system of the fbs going forward a lot - you need to produce something offensively.
Spence has looked good- but his final ball and choice made going forward have not been fantastic.
I think we have good options
Same-ish levels we'd been at for a number of years.
To sell Harry Kane and still be able to do that was no mean feat. But title winning form it was not either.
One of the few that could hold his head high after that shambles of a game.
He has created assists with some outrageous passes of the outside of his boot. I'm sorry but he's been better than. Porro in everything that matters.