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Player Djed Spence

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Timberwolf said:
Yeah I was half-joking. He's a legit option there if he can stay fit and it's where he plays for the Dutch NT. And Frank would no doubt love being able to have another giant in the side for set pieces.

Another positive is it could open up a spot for Vuskovic if we wanted to bring him into the 11 next year.

In the short term we do kinda need another proper LB, though as we'll be spread too thin at CB if VdV is playing regularly at LB. Danso and Dragusin both look pretty dodgy at LCB so there are knock-on issues until we have another LCB option.
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disagree on Danso but agree still light there really

Would bring in another CB and look to rotate more - give VDV a complete rest every fourth game or something
 
VonnegutBusy said:
Not sure what an orthodox right back means in the modern game.
Pretty sure no fullback in the league has had better attacking output than Porro since he arrived. He is also one of the few top passers we have in the team. His defending has improved massively but yes he still makes mistakes - as do the rest of our backline.

Yes Spence is better 1v1 so I get the argument of starting him against the very best wingers to try to nullify them but outside of that fairly limited scenario Porro gives the team way more.

He has 100% been overplayed in his time here so there will naturally be some drop off in performance. So there is room for more rotation.

Nothing Spence has done in his Spurs career warrants the hype he has though. It is mostly good PR.
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Good PR lol. Well that's a 180. He's been constantly shat on by a sizeable portion of the fan base for years before he even got a chance we used to ask if was his plaits. Porro is a TERRIBLE defender its not even close forget 1v1 hes on Doherty level as a fullback. That we are dependent upon on his passing and crossing says more about the dysfunction of our midfeild. Spence doesn't need hype if he gets equal mins at Rightback he will end up first choice I've little doubt. His attacking play on his dominant foot will be much better than it currently is on the left. Let battels commence I say let's see what happens.
 
VonnegutBusy said:
Not sure what an orthodox right back means in the modern game.
Pretty sure no fullback in the league has had better attacking output than Porro since he arrived. He is also one of the few top passers we have in the team. His defending has improved massively but yes he still makes mistakes - as do the rest of our backline.

Yes Spence is better 1v1 so I get the argument of starting him against the very best wingers to try to nullify them but outside of that fairly limited scenario Porro gives the team way more.

He has 100% been overplayed in his time here so there will naturally be some drop off in performance. So there is room for more rotation.

Nothing Spence has done in his Spurs career warrants the hype he has though. It is mostly good PR.
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Kind of agree kind of don’t .. I think he was massively overhyped by a portion of our fanbase who were doing their usual ‘best English fullback, guaranteed starter for England’ nonsense after one of our players has a good period of form .. but that’s standard.

Do think he deserves a solid run in his actual position. He is definitely limited technically but 1v1 he is sensational which as a fullback makes him very useful.

I think he’ll settle as a really, really decent utility option. I don’t see top level potential like some do.
 
Deuterz said:
Kind of agree kind of don’t .. I think he was massively overhyped by a portion of our fanbase who were doing their usual ‘best English fullback, guaranteed starter for England’ nonsense after one of our players has a good period of form .. but that’s standard.

Do think he deserves a solid run in his actual position. He is definitely limited technically but 1v1 he is sensational which as a fullback makes him very useful.

I think he’ll settle as a really, really decent utility option. I don’t see top level potential like some do.
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He's a class act.

One of the only players in the current Spurs squad who would be available to play the majority of the games, if selected, and give the same level of performance every game.

Palhinha, Mickey and Kudus too.
 
Kosher Kid said:
He's a class act.

One of the only players in the current Spurs squad who would be available to play the majority of the games, if selected, and give the same level of performance every game.

Palhinha, Mickey and Kudus too.
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He’s a good player. Palhinha is a limited ball winner. Kudus is a very good dribbler/ball carrier who is our biggest threat but lacks end product.

Of that list only Van de Ven has truly top level potential - Spence is consistent and reliable yes, but doesn’t offer the threat in the oppositions half many teams want from a modern FB. Porro is the opposite.

We have an exceptionally ordinary squad.
 
Timberwolf said:
I think the issue's got worse over time too. When he first started covering at LB he was a bit of an unknown quantity and other teams didn't seem to know how to deal with him. IIRC he initially looked decent going forward at LB and, weirdly, was more impressive on the left than on the right but now teams know how right-footed he is and set up accordingly. He's almost purely a defensive player when he plays there now - offers very little on the ball.

When he moved over to the right against United, there was a moment where he skinned their LB/LWB and put in a cross. You never see him do that on the left.
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Agree,he def looked re energised against Utd moving to the right.
Until his final ball or delivery improves then he will be used left or right side, and to me that says right side only.
Pedros awareness and physicality at defensive set pieces and corners just doesn't cut it for me,and Djed leaves him for dead 1v1 as we know.
Djed also looked the goods at C/Back and wouldnt look out of place there too.
Bit of a conundrum our Djed ….

Bit off topic but if we chasing a game last ten mins or so and need a goal get big Mickey up as the 10…Seems a bit wasted sitting at the back with all that raw power and (finishing ability).
 
The other slightly odd thing about Djed is that he's a worse defender on the right. I think a big part of what makes him such a good 1v1 defender at LB, and why Tuchel likes him so much there, is that he can use his strong foot to make tackles when wingers cut inside. Pretty much all of his best defensive performances have specifically been at LB against left footed wingers like Saka, Salah, etc. The only time he's struggled in recent memory defensively at LB was against Ndiaye who was a right-footer playing on the right and took him on round the outside where Djed was less comfortable.

When he's in his natural position at RB he can no longer do that and wingers seem to get past him a bit easier on the inside. He's certainly not a bad defender at RB but I do think he loses something defensively. He's better going forward on the right, though, which helps balance things out.
 
Timberwolf said:
The other slightly odd thing about Djed is that he's a worse defender on the right. I think a big part of what makes him such a good 1v1 defender at LB, and why Tuchel likes him so much there, is that he can use his strong foot to make tackles when wingers cut inside. Pretty much all of his best defensive performances have specifically been at LB against left footed wingers like Saka, Salah, etc. The only time he's struggled in recent memory defensively at LB was against Ndiaye who was a right-footer playing on the right and took him on round the outside where Djed was less comfortable.

When he's in his natural position at RB he can no longer do that and wingers seem to get past him a bit easier on the inside. He's certainly not a bad defender at RB but I do think he loses something defensively. He's better going forward on the right, though, which helps balance things out.
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Intresting analysis but if Im honest I dont fully buy it. I think its simply minutes, positional comfort comes from an extended run in a settled position in a settled formation. For his own player development Id make him stick to RB he has the tools to be the best one we currently have. It makes no sense to me not to attempt to maximise this.
 
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WillWilliams said:
If you think we currently have Tel out of the CL squad, so that also means no room for Kulu.

Which in turn gives our recruitment team a very limited number of players to filll that LB space. Have to be either club trained and fit the HG standard. 4 or 8 spaces.

Probably leaves a shortlist of a few international level players and then you need to go down the leagues.

Then we would use up a squad place on a LB who will occasionally play and potentially isn’t that great.

We’ve got a squad purchased by Conte, Ange, Frank (and 1 from the Poch days somehow). It’s messy.
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Dennis Cirkin is the list, he’s 24 now, if good enough Sunderland won’t sell, if they’ll sell he’s not good enough, Yossarian.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Intresting analysis but if Im honest I dont fully buy it. I think its simply minutes, positional comfort comes from an extended run in a settled position in a settled formation. For his own player development Id make him stick to RB he has the tools to be the best one we currently have. It makes no sense to me not to attempt to maximise this.
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I agree that we should move him to the right - need a left footer at LB. But I think you'll see what I mean when he inevitably does move across - he loses a bit of his 1v1 defending on the right.
 
Surprised this thread is so quiet. Thought he was outstanding both ways. Should have scored and had an assist. Defended brilliantly.

Won't have many easier days but he had a really good one today.
 
what he did for the sarr chance around 82 mins needs to be hammered home to him that its that simple and easy, it doesnt have to be flash. he has the physical attributes to be a danger, leave the muggy flicks and all that shit trying to be flash and turn into an efficient machine.

its easy for right footed players to go round the left of a defender, the ball in with the left foot doesnt need to be over thought, it just needs to be knocked in to an area with a decent bit of pace.
 
Still not getting much love? Excellent again tonight - absolutely loving being inverted which helps with his offense while his defence remains as good as ever.

Great little player. So versatile. If he starts scoring and assisting (which he's looked like doing these last few games) he'll go to another level.
 
Another solid game. He's looked much better centrally than taking it to the byline/being our wide option.

A great squad player to have. Still prefer him to be playing on the right side though. Porro's been rubbish.
 
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