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ENIC In or ENIC Out


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Not true.

I accept that in pursuit of the increased revenue ENIC have improved Spurs average league positions and points tally.

I also accept that the improvements to the infrastructure are incredible.

However; it is clear that the level of the overall wage bill for the players is the one consistent theme that ENIC have never deviated from.

Player purchases are viewed as speculative investments.

When players purchased in this manner reach a higher level of performance, while playing for Spurs, they are often sold on rather than remunerated at a level that reflects their improved value.

Kane and Son have been the only exceptions to this rule and I think it is fair to say that at least one of them probably regrets massively the decision to stay and may have been partially misled / badly advised into making that decision.

I think ENIC and Levy have taken Spurs as far as they are capable of achieving.

4th place every season is their main objective on the 6th biggest wage bill.

Something has to give.
A fairly reasonable post up until the second to last sentence, at which point pure conjecture creeps in again.

And I explained in another post why, even from a business sense, it is not logical for ENIC to be satisfied with only 4th. Because winning big trophies (not FA fucking cups) is what really catapults a club's value, not getting CL prize money every year. And ENIC wants to maximize the club's value.

The difference between my position and yours on why we are currently struggling is that your's is based on assumptions (Levy only wants 4th), which is why people roll their eyes. Mine is based on facts: ENIC didn't set up the proper football structure to be successful on the pitch. Not didn't spend more or didn't back the managers, but didn't set up a structure similar to a Brighton or a Brentford which, with our resources, would have made a significant difference to our success on the pitch.

You argue factually wrong things, such as that Levy doesn't spend (he does; he spends as much as the club can afford at any given time), whereas the rest of us argue that he doesn't spend correctly.

So forgive me if the things you say ring hollow, but when you start coming with facts to the argument you and the other Levy-bashers will be taken more seriously.

As for losing players, Chelsea lost Hazard, United lost Ronaldo, Barca lost Neymar, Liverpool lost Suarez, and the list is long. And it's not like us losing players has held us back. We've progressed significantly since Bale and Modric. Losing players is part of the game and also necessary to refresh the squad. The teams with a proper football structure don't bat an eyelid, however, as they have the next talent already identified. Which is why this is so important and what you should be slagging Levy off about. But you don't. You slag him off for lack of ambition (which cannot be verified, because you're not in his fucking head) and not spending (which is factually incorrect).
 
A fairly reasonable post up until the second to last sentence, at which point pure conjecture creeps in again.

And I explained in another post why, even from a business sense, it is not logical for ENIC to be satisfied with only 4th. Because winning big trophies (not FA fucking cups) is what really catapults a club's value, not getting CL prize money every year. And ENIC wants to maximize the club's value.

The difference between my position and yours on why we are currently struggling is that your's is based on assumptions (Levy only wants 4th), which is why people roll their eyes. Mine is based on facts: ENIC didn't set up the proper football structure to be successful on the pitch. Not didn't spend more or didn't back the managers, but didn't set up a structure similar to a Brighton or a Brentford which, with our resources, would have made a significant difference to our success on the pitch.

You argue factually wrong things, such as that Levy doesn't spend (he does; he spends as much as the club can afford at any given time), whereas the rest of us argue that he doesn't spend correctly.

So forgive me if the things you say ring hollow, but when you start coming with facts to the argument you and the other Levy-bashers will be taken more seriously.

As for losing players, Chelsea lost Hazard, United lost Ronaldo, Barca lost Neymar, Liverpool lost Suarez, and the list is long. And it's not like us losing players has held us back. We've progressed significantly since Bale and Modric. Losing players is part of the game and also necessary to refresh the squad. The teams with a proper football structure don't bat an eyelid, however, as they have the next talent already identified. Which is why this is so important and what you should be slagging Levy off about. But you don't. You slag him off for lack of ambition (which cannot be verified, because you're not in his fucking head) and not spending (which is factually incorrect).

Who will we be taken more seriously by? You and your little band of merry men? Oh god, the fucking joys! There’s like 6 of you. 80 odd percent of this forum polls as wanting the cunts out. We don’t care about what any of you say or think. Tiny little minority with an over-inflated sense of their own intelligence and importance based on being ‘sensible’ because you back perpetual failure and god awful football.

You’re lost causes, gave up caring about the ‘reasonable discussion’ crap with any of you a while back as none of you will ever be convinced. We’ll be in the same position a decade down the line and you’ll all be on your knees making the same arguments. The weak links, tbh.
 
Who will we be taken more seriously by? You and your little band of merry men? Oh god, the fucking joys! There’s like 6 of you. 80 odd percent of this forum polls as wanting the cunts out. We don’t care about what any of you say or think. Tiny little minority with an over-inflated sense of their own intelligence and importance based on being ‘sensible’ because you back perpetual failure and god awful football.

You’re lost causes, gave up caring about the ‘reasonable discussion’ crap with any of you a while back as none of you will ever be convinced. We’ll be in the same position a decade down the line and you’ll all be on your knees making the same arguments. The weak links, tbh.
Nice to see you responded to my arguments point by point and didn't resort to frothing at the mouth.

Oh wait...
 
And it is well documented in this forum that anyone who offers an alternative view to the Levy haters is branded as wanting to suck ENIC's cock. I mean, someone called me a Lev fanboi when I stated a basic business fact without even mentioning ENIC/Levy!

The difference between you and me is that to you every big or little misstep the club has is Levy's fault. There's no middle ground. There is no appreciation for the good things that ENIC has done. It's only bash bash bash. No wonder our politics and our discourse is so fucked up in this day and age.
And when has levy ever really (not half heartedly) backed the manager, any manager with the signing's they actually wanted rather than club signings, cheap punts from the French league or 4th, 5th, 6th choice players that never work.
Its all smoke and mirrors with Levy, playing the same game he's always played to get:

1. Fans to renew ST by using sources to spread rumours about new signings, winning managers etc.
2. Talking bollocks about Tottenham's DNA and then employing Nuno 3 months after sacking Mourinho 6 days before a cup final.
3. Charging the most expensive match tickets, season tickets in Europe to watch mediocre players like Dier, Sanchez etc. Leading to dull as dishwater football because the winning manager doesn't have the players that fit the system they want to play.

Remember the club motto is to dare is to do, Levy never dares and certainly doesn't do.
Infact the club should change the motto to ' To Dare is too Dear' or ' Winning is Hard'

Yes winning is hard if you don't really try
 
And when has levy ever really (not half heartedly) backed the manager, any manager with the signing's they actually wanted rather than club signings, cheap punts from the French league or 4th, 5th, 6th choice players that never work.
Its all smoke and mirrors with Levy, playing the same game he's always played to get:

1. Fans to renew ST by using sources to spread rumours about new signings, winning managers etc.
2. Talking bollocks about Tottenham's DNA and then employing Nuno 3 months after sacking Mourinho 6 days before a cup final.
3. Charging the most expensive match tickets, season tickets in Europe to watch mediocre players like Dier, Sanchez etc. Leading to dull as dishwater football because the winning manager doesn't have the players that fit the system they want to play.

Remember the club motto is to dare is to do, Levy never dares and certainly doesn't do.
Infact the club should change the motto to ' To Dare is too Dear' or ' Winning is Hard'

Yes winning is hard if you don't really try
I don't get it with the folks who say Conte was truly backed(Let me also be clear on my position: CONTE OUT). He was given an average Barca castoff in Lenglet instead of Bastoni, got given Bissouma and Spence when it's clear the dude didn't rate either of them. A capable RWB in Porro was signed in the dying embers of January after watching Emerson ball the whole first half of the season.

What Conte was truly backed in was cutting out players from the squad
 
And when has levy ever really (not half heartedly) backed the manager, any manager with the signing's they actually wanted rather than club signings, cheap punts from the French league or 4th, 5th, 6th choice players that never work.
Its all smoke and mirrors with Levy, playing the same game he's always played to get:

1. Fans to renew ST by using sources to spread rumours about new signings, winning managers etc.
2. Talking bollocks about Tottenham's DNA and then employing Nuno 3 months after sacking Mourinho 6 days before a cup final.
3. Charging the most expensive match tickets, season tickets in Europe to watch mediocre players like Dier, Sanchez etc. Leading to dull as dishwater football because the winning manager doesn't have the players that fit the system they want to play.

Remember the club motto is to dare is to do, Levy never dares and certainly doesn't do.
Infact the club should change the motto to ' To Dare is too Dear' or ' Winning is Hard'

Yes winning is hard if you don't really try
There you go again with this "Levy hasn't backed the manager" dross. I don't know if he bought exactly the players that each manager wanted (and that is risky in and of itself), but we did spend a load beginning in 2019, with the culmination being this past summer and winter where we spent upwards of 200 million. And 40 million in Jan on a RWB when he could have easily told Conte to give Spence a fucking chance. Even let Doherty go on a free.

You don't want to look at the facts, because it doesn't suit your narrative. You will always find something to bash him about. And to top it off you bash him about the wrong things! "Spend, Levy, spend" is all that comes out of your mouth. Rather than "set up a proper football structure, Levy," which is really what he deserves to be bashed about.

You think we scoff at you because you blame Levy? We scoff at you because you blame him about the wrong fucking things. And when we point that out you think it's because we're in his pant pocket.

Wasting my fucking breath with you lot...
 
15 managers in 20 odd years, 1 mickey mouse cup, what 6th richest club in England? Do the math. Bare face facts beat frothy drivel every day of the week. You'd have to be a thunder-dunce to think that the above stats were normal.
Yes we have got a nice stadium, financial stability etc. but enic have now run out of ideas, they have taken us as far as they can, or rather as far as they are willing to do. Levy obviously lied about being a Spurs fan because he couldn't give two hoots about silverware. It's time to move on, and frankly I'd swap that stadium for regular trophies any day of the week. The game is about winning glory, not building the biggest stadium and having the most go karts whizzing around, or hoping Beyonce will sing the CL anthem every year.
Enic just don't understand football or supporters, that is the bottom line.
 
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There you go again with this "Levy hasn't backed the manager" dross. I don't know if he bought exactly the players that each manager wanted (and that is risky in and of itself), but we did spend a load beginning in 2019, with the culmination being this past summer and winter where we spent upwards of 200 million. And 40 million in Jan on a RWB when he could have easily told Conte to give Spence a fucking chance. Even let Doherty go on a free.

You don't want to look at the facts, because it doesn't suit your narrative. You will always find something to bash him about. And to top it off you bash him about the wrong things! "Spend, Levy, spend" is all that comes out of your mouth. Rather than "set up a proper football structure, Levy," which is really what he deserves to be bashed about.

You think we scoff at you because you blame Levy? We scoff at you because you blame him about the wrong fucking things. And when we point that out you think it's because we're in his pant pocket.

Wasting my fucking breath with you lot...
Poor Mr Levy has it soo hard...
Theres many occasions when the manager wanted certain players and got cheap rubbish (Saha and Neilson spring to mind)
Yeah you are bugger off somewhere else then.
 


Spoilt?!

How?!

Sean must be a fucking Gooner.

Highest ticket prices in the land, zero ambition though.

If Levy was charging £20 a pop and kids go for a tenner then maybe we'd just go there and enjoy the day out, get behind the team and accept mediocrity.

But nah, he's determined to rinse us for every single fucking penny and some on here are happy to give it to him.

Go kart track? What next? A rollercoaster that wraps around the stadium? .

They're taking us for complete mugs. Hardly been to a game this season and won't be renewing for next season.
 
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