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ENIC In or ENIC Out

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Cranston said:
I am of the same opinion as FightingIllini FightingIllini . I don’t want to speak on his behalf, but the entire ENIC project feels like it was the building and delivery of an incredible footballing asset, namely the stadium.
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There's no doubt the ENIC project is based around the idea of fattening the asset value of the club's shares. The stadium is the crown jewel, but winning, to a point, is a necessary element of that as well. It's not a coincidence the expectation level has always been 4th place, the financial implications of that line are immense.

There was a long earlier period where robust trading in players and a not insignificant degree of net investment in doing so was part of the strategy. Levy believed he could outsmart the transfer market, and in the much lower priced and less strategically sophisticated 00's he generally more or less could.

But in general the Levy theory is that club leadership and management is more important to success than player expenditure, and as Levy has lost his confidence and feel for player dealings, that has curdled into our current farce.

LeParisien said:
The fact is that we are no longer in an era where a good, honest club can compete over time because the league is a kind of monopoly.
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That's absolutely what Levy and Lewis believe. It's arguably true, you could make a compelling case for it.

But precisely because that's what Levy and Lewis believe, it's time for them to sell to someone who believes differently.

ENIC are of course entitled to hold out for their price. We know how Levy is about that, and this would be the deal of his lifetime, it's not going to be done lightly.

But supporters are absolutely 100% justified in pressuring that process, and to show neither appreciation nor patience for ownership that doesn't believe in the club or their own project running it any longer.
 
LeParisien said:
Yes - levy has made (or overseen) a series of poor managerial appointments. He is responsible for the backwards step. He probably thought the same way as people like Honest John Honest John - bring in a winner that will push us over the line. But it was an obvious mistake.

I don’t know if it will be a blip or not. The next managerial appointment is key!
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We said that last season. Twice.
 
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John Thomas said:
I think it's pretty much black and white, now mate. After 23 years it fookin well should be, too.

Around 90% of the fanbase ars fed up of being perennial losers and want Levy/ENIC out.

Around 10% support Levy/ENIC first and foremost and want them to stay.

There is no middle ground to talk of.
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Made up nonsense

Ryan Gosling Lol GIF
 
LeParisien said:
You’re presented with a critical flaw in your argument and that’s your response, Mr Dwarf Sausage?

Thinking not your strength?
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Well, well the Patronising Frenchman from Ealing is back. Hope you enjoyed watching Saturdays game. Losing at home to Bournemouth not Levys fault. After all, he doesn't manage the players. He only hires the manager fires the manager but, keeps his assistant lol
 
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stevee said:
My apologies,

Of course there are many anti Levy people who you can have a debate with.
The anti Levy cult are in the vast minority.

People wanted him to step back from football decision ls (fair) .
When he does they criticise him for putting in place a "fall guy".
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But again, this is another example of where any good he does can so easily be countered.

When has Levy stepped back from football decisions? If you’re referring to Paratici, then I think it’s highly debatable how much of an influence he really has.

Essentially, Paratici was brought in when Levy had pretty much driven our managerial hunt into the ground in Summer 2021. He had run completely out of ideas, was facing a crescendo of criticism from the fans, so he pressed the red button and parachuted in Paratici to try and sort out the mess and to take some of the heat off himself.

Then however we see (credible) reports that it was Levy that drove the appointment of Antonio Conte. Levy also supposedly was behind his sacking, with Paratici keen on him seeing out the season.
Likewise you still see signs of him meddling in transfer business, the Djed Spence fiasco namely because he was mates with his agent.
You just get the feeling that whilst he wanted the fans to think he was stepping away from football matters and Paratici was now the face of the club, in reality Levy is just too egotistical, too vain and too much of a control freak to ever truly let that happen.
 
FightingIllini said:
There's no doubt the ENIC project is based around the idea of fattening the asset value of the club's shares. The stadium is the crown jewel, but winning, to a point, is a necessary element of that as well. It's not a coincidence the expectation level has always been 4th place, the financial implications of that line are immense.

There was a long earlier period where robust trading in players and a not insignificant degree of net investment in doing so was part of the strategy. Levy believed he could outsmart the transfer market, and in the much lower priced and less strategically sophisticated 00's he generally more or less could.

But in general the Levy theory is that club leadership and management is more important to success than player expenditure, and as Levy has lost his confidence and feel for player dealings, that has curdled into our current farce.


That's absolutely what Levy and Lewis believe. It's arguably true, you could make a compelling case for it.

But precisely because that's what Levy and Lewis believe, it's time for them to sell to someone who believes differently.

ENIC are of course entitled to hold out for their price. We know how Levy is about that, and this would be the deal of his lifetime, it's not going to be done lightly.

But supporters are absolutely 100% justified in pressuring that process, and to show neither appreciation nor patience for ownership that doesn't believe in the club or their own project running it any longer.
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🏆🏆🏆🏆👍👌
 
LeParisien said:
We see things differently but both you and FightingIllini FightingIllini have considered, evidence-based views. I respect your stance and agree with a lot of what you say.

Compare the way you two engage with someone like Honest John Honest John and there are levels.

The context is that ENIC took over at a time when there was a decade long duopoly in English football - Man Utd and Woolwich were by far the biggest clubs. Since then Chelsea and Man City have permanently changed the English football landscape being backed by the wealth of a nation. Newcastle now are the same.

Only two clubs have managed to meaningfully enter the conversation in a sustained way. Liverpool - arguably the biggest club in England - and us.

The fact is that we are no longer in an era where a good, honest club can compete over time because the league is a kind of monopoly. That Levy and ENIC have got us so close is genuinely something incredible and whilst I expect opposition fans to underrate that, I don’t expect spurs fans to do the same.

Were a bright kid from a local school trying to compete in a world of aristocrats and nouveau riche. I’m proud of who we are.
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Seeing as there has been some complaints regarding sniping, insult's etc, I thought that I would try to explain where I'm at right now.
I appreciate that while you are happy concerning who we are, myself I feel the opposite, which I guess is no surprise considering how outspoken I am.
For me and probably others, ENIC have taken us as far as they can, the stadium was the high point and for that we say thanks.
But on the pitch has been one disaster after another, and whilst people like yourself, are happy to be considered doing it the right way, I feel that the game has outpaced them.
I know this won't be popular, but for me, it's a case of if a filthy rich Arab wants to buy us like city/Newcastle then I welcome it, I think we are at the stage of, if you can't beat them, then join them.
As I say that won't be popular, but just giving an honest assessment of where I'm at and have been for a while.
 
skywalker68 said:
Seeing as there has been some complaints regarding sniping, insult's etc, I thought that I would try to explain where I'm at right now.
I appreciate that while you are happy concerning who we are, myself I feel the opposite, which I guess is no surprise considering how outspoken I am.
For me and probably others, ENIC have taken us as far as they can, the stadium was the high point and for that we say thanks.
But on the pitch has been one disaster after another, and whilst people like yourself, are happy to be considered doing it the right way, I feel that the game has outpaced them.
I know this won't be popular, but for me, it's a case of if a filthy rich Arab wants to buy us like city/Newcastle then I welcome it, I think we are at the stage of, if you can't beat them, then join them.
As I say that won't be popular, but just giving an honest assessment of where I'm at and have been for a while.
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I obviously completely disagree … but I respect how you put across your point.

I’d like to see real reform of the game to stop clubs being financially doped.

But if I had to guess… we’ll both probably end up unhappy!
 
LeParisien said:
I obviously completely disagree … but I respect how you put across your point.

I’d like to see real reform of the game to stop clubs being financially doped.

But if I had to guess… we’ll both probably end up unhappy!
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Yeah I knew, this would be polar opposite to how you view it.
I don't expect that we will get bought out, I fully expect things to be and stay as they are.
I think levy will eventually get a manager who, will get the team playing better football, which will distract many from the lack of success and or other problems.
I always hoped that one day I would see the club win the league whilst my dad is still around, but seeing as he will be 90 this year that is now looking mission impossible.
Still it has been good for opposing sides of the argument to communicate without resorting to insults, so some progress has been made 👍🏆
 
TomHotspur said:
But again, this is another example of where any good he does can so easily be countered.

When has Levy stepped back from football decisions? If you’re referring to Paratici, then I think it’s highly debatable how much of an influence he really has.

Essentially, Paratici was brought in when Levy had pretty much driven our managerial hunt into the ground in Summer 2021. He had run completely out of ideas, was facing a crescendo of criticism from the fans, so he pressed the red button and parachuted in Paratici to try and sort out the mess and to take some of the heat off himself.

Then however we see (credible) reports that it was Levy that drove the appointment of Antonio Conte. Levy also supposedly was behind his sacking, with Paratici keen on him seeing out the season.
Likewise you still see signs of him meddling in transfer business, the Djed Spence fiasco namely because he was mates with his agent.
You just get the feeling that whilst he wanted the fans to think he was stepping away from football matters and Paratici was now the face of the club, in reality Levy is just too egotistical, too vain and too much of a control freak to ever truly let that happen.
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That's all supposition and guesswork, unless you believe everything you read in the media.
I don't.

Once again the tired old line of "he only did it to get a fall guy/take the heat off himself" line gets trotted out whenever it's convenient.
I really can't see Levy paying somebody to do a job and then doing it himself.

There is also credible reports of the Porro deal going tits up (some may wish it did) because Levy let his appointed employees deal with it.
Only because Conte wanted him badly did Levy have to fly in at the last minute to get the deal done.
I don't believe that either.
 
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