He might be there to be hanging out of the back of Donna Cullen for a few days…
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Yeah, nothing to it. His first love is making wads of cash for ENIC and Joe so it's only natural he's out there slithering around.
Good post.
On thé Conte point, I agrée about stubborn. A lot of that will be assumption and narrative. However what we mean by a managers playing style is exactly what we see on a match day. That is publicly available information so debatable on the evidence.
The issue I have is that the evidence does not support the conclusion. We are not able to infer anything from his presence. However if that is a concern you have because of past behaviour then that is completely legitimate. But this is not the thing to hang that coat on.
I think the point is that deducing anything from little evidence is rather silly.
Exactly my point.
They play week in, week out in front of large crowds, including Levy and millions watching on TV.
They won't be fussed by this for even a second .
Why the fuck is he there
At the risk of upsetting some posters and coming across as 'defending' him....
We have more than one Global Football Development partnership with universities in Australia, and I would think, now Ange is our manager we may have some other strategic partnerships and opportunities that the Chairman might take the time to develop.
I am concerned he is involving himself in footballing matters because he has a history of doing that at board level, such as with transfers and he has admitted himself that he likes to be involved in the small details, how does me having a concern such as this make my point of view "hysterical"?
I haven't created a strawman, I never once said Levy was taking training sessions or putting up cones, my argument was that for someone who is supposed to be stepping away from footballing operations, he seems to be very involved still based on him attending this preseason tour and being in training gear on a training pitch with the players and manager.
Maybe that is based on my expectations of what "stepping away" means but that is my perspective and it doesn't make it invalid, it just means that we disagree on his possible reasons for attending.
I have already said NUMEROUS times that I am not presenting my opinion as fact and that I could be wrong and that my concerns could be unjustified so I am not sure how that means I am unwilling to accept another perspective other than my own "personal paranoia".
It just seems you disagree with my perspective (which is fine) but cannot accept my differing opinion so you resort to condescension and hyperbole with terms such as "Silly" "Hysteria" "Paranoia" which I notice you do quite a lot with posters that you disagree with on here, surely even you can see that comes across as petty and immature?
It's not like I am claiming the Earth is flat here, all I have said is that I have concerns about why he is on a training pitch and you are behaving as if my entire world revolves around Levy and that everything he does offends me, which is simply untrue.
This is why I said earlier, your responses come off as emotional and like you take my opinion as a personal affront.
You're right, he could be there to bond with the players and manager I could argue that isn't him stepping back from footballing operations but if I give him the benefit of the doubt, sure, that's a net positive.
But isn't it equally as possible he could be there to keep tabs on things? To oversee things and micromanage? How can you not concede that both opinions could be valid? I mean, neither are based on factual evidence after all...
I agree that some people are OTT and for some, no matter what he does, he will draw criticism but I think for many, the criticisms are valid and they can recognise the good AND bad.
I am seriously done with this now though, I don't have the time to respond like this, let's just agree to disagree.
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And this is a valid point, as valid as people being concerned he is there for other reasons, would you not agree?
If I think of two extremes, the fans would benefit more from widespread hysteria and anti-current ownership model to drive change. Even so called levy defenders admit that change is possible if enough ppl protest for it or take tangible action.
The opposite is mass apathy which is exactly what the owners rely on to keep the gravy train rolling.
Right now we are at a middle point, and it doesn't really help anyone.
I agree that quite often the conspiracy theories and dissecting every action are a bit daft. But he has bought a lot of this on himself with his wretched decisions over the last 6 or 7 years, coupled with price hikes and an attitude that falls between terrible PR and outright contempt for the fans. It isnt going away now and will just get worse if we struggle again. Its why i dont get why he's happy just to limp on.
I agree, evidence exists to suggest that Conte plays a defensive style of football, however I am willing to bet he would argue against that point.
However, discarding that, like you say, our opinions about him being stubborn (he is, imo) are literallly that, opinions, not based on fact.
But this is my overall point here, I have no idea why Levy is there; I simply said I was concerned that this is not indicative of a man stepping back from football operations, however, I also said that I could be wrong in my assumption that he is there for those reasons and that my concerns are based on previous history and a picture of him at a training session, I could be very wrong, that much is also true.
I don't think anybody can say why he is there factually so all opinions are valid here imo.
I think we are well within our rights to be skeptical and non trusting of Levy but there has to be a point where you say to yourself you sound a bit ridiculous surely?
The daft stuff is counter productive. It just dilutes the god knows how many genuine reasons to criticise
The trouble is it just all feels in limbo. He isnt ever going to win a sizeable chunk of the fanbase back around, he hardly seems to be busting a gut for any sort of big improvement on the football side so we're all stuck in this unhappy marriage, going precisely nowhere. I dont get his thinking. He must realise whats coming his way if we have another shit season, or Kane walks for free, or if he has to sack another manager but there appears to be no urgency at all.
Good analogy actually, definitely feels like an unhappy marriage at the point of resentment but making things up and being completely paranoid regarding everything he does is just really unhealthy IMO
Mass apathy means people stop going to the games.
I think if Levy were not at many training sessions and not talking to people in and around the first team then he would be negligent. He plays a significant role in hiring the manager so a very basic facet of his leadership will be collecting information - either directly or through people he trusts.
That is such a basic leadership requirement for any football chairman.
“Taking a step back from football operations” has become a bit of a meme from Tottenham fans online. What that can never involve is a lack of responsibility for football operations. Levy’s critics are the first to say that he is responsible for what happens on the field but there must be some leadership and management processes that assume that responsibility. In no organisation do leaders hire and then ignore the work of the important people below them.
So my view is that the evidence we have of Levy’s involvement is entirely normal. It’s absence would be more surprising. And note that none of this is evidence of micromanaging or going solo on important decisions; it’s simply assuming responsibility as a leader. Whether you like it or not, that is his role at the club.
Because he's the CEO, why shouldn't he be there ?
It's really no biggie.
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Yup. Until Kane goes this is all there really is to it.
It's very evident that Levy is on a campaign to improve his image among the fanbase, "COYS, Daniel" and all that.
It won't work. I would imagine all sides of the debate can see that pretty clearly. I don't really see the value in spilling any more words on it than that. We've got bigger fish to fry.