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Give this guy the stage!
The tides are turning.
Or Stockholm syndrome is finally setting in.
Stop being so reasonable and especially stop making valid points . I agree recruitment has been decent recently . We had two massive fuckups with NDombele and LoCelso but I am not going to hindsight this. I was delighted and buzzing with their signings , so was the vast vast majority on here. Sometimes things don’t work out
lol.
I find it much easier to chat on here with people when folks who disagree with some of the finer points about the club don't resort to name-calling.
Yeah, the Ndombele, LoCelso and actually most of the recruitment after that up until we bought in Romero was pretty shite. Since then, we seem to have had more hits than misses and I'm genuinely excited for the team we are building right now - something I haven't said in a long time.
If we are going to get new owners, they will certainly be in a better position now than they would have been 3 years ago and so I am content to see how this rides out with or without them at the helm.
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Not an unreasonable position
Not really. Credit where credit's due but they're still a parasitic entity feasting on the fanbase and our love of the club.
Exactly.
One can appreciate the work that they have done to make us a powerhouse financially and as far as infrastructure goes. And still want more out of them as a sporting entity.
Yep, I agree.
They have done some good things but that doesn't give them a free pass on having us treading water as underachievers for quarter of a century.
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Paid for by fans and to the detriment of on field success over the last 20 years. It’s great going forward
Statements like this sometimes reflect a disconnect between reality and nostalgia.
The reality is, including LCs which I have my very poor opinion of, Spurs have won 17 trophies in 142 years. Most of those came from 3 bursts: 5 in the 60s, 3 in the early 70s, 3 in the early 80s.
Even if you spread them out equally, Spurs should have won 3 trophies so far under ENIC and they've won 1. Underachieving, yes.
But we've been in enough finals that the players and managers employed could have made up that margin.
In fact, because it makes a great comparison:
Golden Quarter 1960-1985: 12 Finals, 6 Semis (10 Cups)
ENIC 2000-2024: 6 Finals, 8 Semis (1 Cup)
So the numbers of Semis isn't markedly different between the eras - 18 to 14. The most significant difference is, during the Golden Quarter if we got to a Semi we generally won the trophy (10/18). During ENIC's era we've typically lost the Semi, and if not we've lost the final (1/14).
All the blame for failing in the last 90-180 minutes of a tournament can't fall on the bald guy sitting in a room a couple hundred feet away from the pitch. The players and managers were good enough to get to the cusp of glory...they really should have been able to get across the line more than 1 out of 14 tries.
ENIC have certainly presided over a disappointing era, but people need to stop acting as if it's an unmitigated disaster which has disgraced a once colossal all-triumphant club. In 21 months under ENIC, Poch lost as many title races as Tottenham have ever won in its history.
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That is before you even add in the context of the money Chelsea and City brought into the game - City especially when we were just getting our shit together.
But context ain't welcome here.
People sad cos no trophies and friends make fun of them for supporting us.
ENIC are to blame for losing most of the semis - largely underdogs due to woeful financial and operational mismanagement
Not really
Let's take a look at the FA cups shall we - half of them.
09/10 - Portsmouth - nope
11/12 - Chelsea - nope! We finished 5 points ahead of them - drew twice in the league
16/17 - Chelsea - nope - again - we were good enough to beat them that season - they may have had a great team that won the league but honestly I don't see how anyone can blame ENIC for failing on the day - poor management from Poch
17/18 - Man U - nope - we again, beat them that season at Wembley 2-0 and had a good enough side to beat them on the day.
At the top of the football world, these fine margins are there in every game - blaming woeful financial and operational mismanagement for any of those losses is a complete and utter cop-out.
With the bookmakers, we were underdogs in all apart from Pompey
‘People sad cos no trophies’
Yep. The literal measure of success for any top six club. Trophies. Namely the big two. But in general yes, that’s the point and what we all play for.
The way you brush it off so flippantly is so weird. Other clubs are in crisis if they have five years of no silverware. We are just in normal service and fans like you sort of just think this is ok.