They would be very poor Investors if they sold us after relegation as the price would be reduced. More likely if it scares them & they decide to get out while things are normal (in PL)
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1 and 2 link to 4.
If you show that consistently achieve 1, players see ambition
If you meet demands of 2, you open up the door to 4.
Neto, Mbeumo, and semenyo have since moved to clubs willing to do what it takes to be convicing.
Yes, that's all fairly obvious.
But did you stop and ask yourself WHY we don't buy the big players on big wages? We generate enough income. And we charge the highest ticket prices.
We all know how ENIC approach things with kids and bargains. We can all see that. I don't really understand are you defending ENIC's approach? or just slating Ange for the sake of slating Ange? Maybe they lied to him about their ambition.
The fact is.
The board can't go on telling prospective managers, players and the fan base that they are going for the big trophies and then deliver kids and bargains indefinitely. Something has to give.
The players have had enough of the false promies, the fans are ready to mutiny. You have successive ex managers who have told it how it is.
Surely you can see the disconnect here?
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I think you raise the ideal scenario of being spooked into selling up.
Now just need to hope they don't drag the fans through misery to eek every last penny out of the deal.
Im not defending ENIC here as they are a bunch of parasitic shit stains, but they did blow £52M on N'Dombele in the expectation/hope he'd be that prime player. Its very rare they pump a big fee into a single player of known quality though, you could argue Simons and Solanke fit into that category (and Richarlison I guess, still dont know why we signed him). Instead, its based on a lot of data and that *hope* word again. None of these names above were truly the finshed article : players other teams were desperate to sign.
The problem is we've spent loads of money on shit players, and too many of them. Quantity over quality. I always use Liverpool as the best example - they sold Coutinho for big dollar, then used the entire fee (and added more money to the pot) to buy VVD and Alisson, two world class players in positions they needed quality.
ENIC would take the money, add none to it, keep some of the fee in the bank, then spend whats left on 5 players who they hope come good who will all be young (for potential resale value) or absolute journeymen to fill squad holes rather than first team quality. That is why we never compete and never will with them - an INVESTMENT company - in charge. The football club is an investment, they have no desire to speculate for true success as long as the easy money rolls in every year from being in the PL.
Every manager who has been here under their tenure says the same thing - wanted "X" player but never got them and were given a "profile player" instead. Something similar, cheaper, not as good. From Arry wanting Tevez and getting Saha, Poch wanting anything and getting FUCK ALL for 18 months, to Conte wanting Bastoni (who admittedly didnt want to come) and Porro - instead getting Lenglet on a loan and Porro AFTER he'd been sacked, to Ange wanting Neto etc etc etc. The evidence is overwhelming, its a story that is repeated over and over again, they cant even deny it as a one off as its so regular. Obviously we shouldnt expect to get every player that a mananger wants - thats unrealistic, there is a lot of competition out there for the best players - but we should at least COMPETE. And we dont. As the 9th richest club in world football. ENIC in a nutshell.
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Exactly. Man Utd were attracting big players with No European football on offer. Its about the money and convincing the player you have the ambition to be big.
We are Tottenham Hotspur. One of the wealthiest teams in the world. if we can't offer the best players the best wages and convince them to come here then what is even the point in us existing?
To pay the most expensive ticket prices in world football for what? Entertainment?
Ange hit on another point, what was the last world class player Spurs signed ready made. Not one we nurtered through the academy or came to prominence at Spurs Kane, Bale, Ledley, Son, Dembele, Modric.
A ready made signing that wowed the rest of the footballing world.
Do we have to go as far back as Klinsmann because I'm struggling to think of one.
Well we certainly act like a big club when it comes to extracting money from our fans and the stadium. As a result we also have the finances of a big club.
The board just choose not to be a big club when it comes to investing in football.
That disconnect is what is pissing everyone off. The supporters are football fans, we aren't popping the champagne when Tavistock break another revenue target
Did we have that same accolodate between 2015 and 2017, yet people still moaned then and say the club wasted it?
Whatever my views on his abilities as a manger hes right. Just like Conte was.
We're going nowhere with these clowns owning us. Nowhere.
Horseshit. What we're going through right now IS Daniel Levy's legacy.
Except we aren't, because we have never had an owner with a source of investable wealth (or an appetite for it). People constantly misunderstand 'revenue' on purpose, only to then misuse the definition and get annoyed about that.
We have one of the highest revenues in the world, but we also have high costs that basically put us in the red each year. For all the financial rules that looks good, but it doesn't mean we have hundreds of millions available to us to actually spend, because, in effect, we have a massive mortgage and overdraft from shit players that we haven't paid off yet.
We won't ever be "wealthy" until we have an owner that has tangible funds to put into the club and see it as an 'investment', instead of an 'investment' company who threw ~£100m at a guy and said "turn that into £4bn and fuck off"
Van De Vaart, but even he wasn't recognized as World Class, just a quality player. Madrid wanted rid of him, but even so it was seen as a shocking sweep at the time.
Hugo Lloris, for sure.
Not quite World Class, but I'd add Eriksen, Vertonghen, and Alderweireld to the list as well. All were heavily recruited by Europe's top sides, and were seen as World Class prospects.
Which still, the list is players we signed 10-15+ years ago, which proves the point being made.
In my lifetime it would be Gazza which was a huge signing, he was the Rooney wonderkid of his day, Klinsmann and maybe Ginola as the take your breath away signings. Oddly the biggest under ENIC was Ndombele, he was a huge talent who decided he couldn’t be bothered to play football anymore.
We know this, or at least I do.
Many of the so called wealthy clubs in the world are in massive debt. Man Utd, Madrid, Barca, Chelsea are in massive debt and are mortgaged up to the hilt to use your analogy.
It doesn't stop them.
Its just an old hat excuse for a lack of ambition. You used to hear it all the time, does anyone remember "We don't want to do a Leeds"
We understanding is that we have ample wiggle room on FFP which is what really counts these days. Take a risk go into debt, pay some decent wages.
Can't believe we still have fans apologising on behalf of the board.
Odobert.
It's both. Doing the latter creates the former.
He wanted Guehi, Semenyo, Gallagher, and Neto.
He got Bergvall, Gray and Odobert. They're great for the future but they aren't going to push you up the league at age 18.
Postecoglou said that Enic/Levy always publicly demand Top 4 status but then never deliver Top 4 quality players. This isn't controversial, it's simple fact. Ask Conte.
This is why I've always maintained Postecoglou overachieved. That 5th place finish after losing Kane was miraculous. Getting to the semi-final of the League Cup and winning the Europa League was astonishing given the injury crisis. It came at a cost of 17th and he was rightly sacked - but the Trophy is in the cabinet FORVEVER.
Yeah but he’s also saying what we need to be said. Nobody takes any notice when fans say it
You're actually misunderstanding the point.
It isn't "apologising on behalf of the board", it is actually criticising their existence more than you are.
You're saying "they should just spend more money that we have"
I'm saying "we can't allow shit owners to ruin the club because they can't be bothered to spend their own money"
or perhaps "we need to get rid of owners who have run the club on a lemonade budget"
That was the scale of the task our previous administration faced, and now we've just got 'the lewis family' raw, who are clearly out of their depth
I'm pretty much pointing out the obvious with ENIC's M.O.
How it relates to Postecoglou and his desire to sign VXYZ players is obvious, so I don't know why he's complaining,. He must have gone into the job blind stupid if the thought he was going to name a list of highly sort after players and get them.
Is he complaining he was offered such players when he took the job, and then the offer was retracted?
That's the only scenario that I can see grounds for disgruntlement.
Otherwise it seems like he'd never heard of Tottenham Hotspur and ENIC/Daniel Levy before, and took the job like as a lucky dip, and completely oblivious to it's transfer history over the past 25 years.