Management ENIC

[MemphisWill]

Soooo, what happens when they get within 20% of us in revenue? Or when Villa does, or Leeds does, etc etc etc.

There is no secret sauce to what we've done.

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Who knows, thats why we love sports. Theres no direct line. We've spent more than Leicester and had comparably less recent success. We've spent less than woolwich and done better.

We've had many seasons where we over-performed our finances. We've had a couple where we've underperformed. Staying on 15 with the dealer showing a 6 isn't a guarantor. Hitting a 12 vs a 9 is often a bad choice in retrospect.

Shit is always more complicated than it looks.

 

[The Outsider]

Enic are wonderful arnt they l...ffs
1 trophy in 20 years.. fucking 1 trophy
The Same fucking excuses year in year out. And charging the highest ticket prices in the country.
Yeah there fucking wonderful

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How many of the 92 league clubs in the UK have won ZERO trophies in the last twenty years? Just because you feel a divine entitlement to winning trophies doesn't make it a right ....

But hey - entitlement - that's the modern watchword ...

CL Final first ever in our 130 years history - but feck that we din't win right so who cares?

Being a fan is far, far more than just winning things, sure we all want to win things, but for 90% of fans their club will never even come close to an EPL title, a CL Final, or even a Domestic Cup .... but hey we're Spurs so we're entitled to win ... is that what you think?

ENIC need to do better with managers, players and yes WINNING TROPHIES but that's not the be all and end all of running a football club - or supporting one either.

 

[VirginiaSpur]

Shit is always more complicated than it looks.

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[The Outsider]

They've got finance in our name to build a stadium to make money for them that's not going to do us any favours. All the care about is people being in it and buying shit while they're there.

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Utter drivel ....

The finances were underwritten by ENIC but they were raised by the THFC, any money generated by those finance goes directly to the club, ENIC have nerve taken any dividends from the club .... all the future money raised from the stadium will go not to ENIC but to the club, the club can spend that cash as the club sees fit.

Those are the facts, so how does your statement even come close to being true?

You hate ENIC that's fair enough, writing complete fiction to support that hate, why do it?

 

[harry7]

Jesus wept .
the area needs investment not an art gallery . You know who owns the property ?

suggesting fried chicken takeaways and off licenses is a bit disrespectful to the local community , is it not? Or in fact suggesting that’s what I meant , I don’t know if you work for ENIC but it’s clear your PR skills are about as good as theirs .

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The art gallery is one of the many investments in the area made by the club. We have also built a block of flats, donate to a children's hospice, donated to local schools and homeless shelters, run our own food bank and donate to many local youth groups. We also provide free access and staff to community rooms in the stadium for charity events.

here's some further info.

About Spurs Foundation | Tottenham Hotspur
Charity Partners | Tottenham Hotspur

But yeah, ENIC bad.

 

[Gym&Chill]

Leicester is a club Tottenham wishes it was (by spurs I mean levy)

spends where needed and makes intelligent buys with a mixture of experience and youth. Won a fucking league and cup and qualifies for the CL

spurs scouting is atrocious

 

[harry7]

They've got finance in our name to build a stadium to make money for them that's not going to do us any favours. All the care about is people being in it and buying shit while they're there.

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The club took out the loan to pay for the stadium to make the club money. The revenue from the stadium will help fund our squad for the next 30 years. Estimated revenue of 100m per year.

But sure, that extra revenue won't due the club any 'favours'

 

[Igula]

Leicester is a club Tottenham wishes it was (by spurs I mean levy)

spends where needed and makes intelligent buys with a mixture of experience and youth. Won a fucking league and cup and qualifies for the CL

spurs scouting is atrocious

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Qualified not Qualifies, they have only made the CL once.

They should not in any way be the club we want to be. They have made top 4 once, one one Cup and spent a lot of time in the bottom half of the table or out of the PL.

Liverpool is the team that should be held up as the club to emulate. They are responsible with their spending, don't use the owners to fund moves with their own money. But they also make smart moves when needed, take risks and are progressive in their thinking.

 

[The Outsider]

Leicester is a club Tottenham wishes it was (by spurs I mean levy)

spends where needed and makes intelligent buys with a mixture of experience and youth. Won a fucking league and cup and qualifies for the CL

spurs scouting is atrocious

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So we should aspire to be a club that has won the League once - the FA Cup once - the League Cup 3 times and Zero European honours .... are you sure you meant that?

We should aspire to be Man Utd a club that generates 800m in revenue so it can support 400m on wages and pay massive transfer fees for world class players .... and believe it or not that's exactly what we are trying to do.

Scouting is interesting, but it's money that matters - how many City, Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea players came as 'unknowns' discovered by scouting? Sure scouting helps, but that's not what wins you trophies

 

[Gym&Chill]

Qualified not Qualifies, they have only made the CL once.

They should not in any way be the club we want to be. They have made top 4 once, one one Cup and spent a lot of time in the bottom half of the table or out of the PL.

Liverpool is the team that should be held up as the club to emulate. They are responsible with their spending, don't use the owners to fund moves with their own money. But they also make smart moves when needed, take risks and are progressive in their thinking.

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In the 20 years that Levy has been spurs owner, Leicester have won a premier league title, an FA cup and a league cup. Those are the hard hitting facts. There is no trophy for finishing in the top 4 unfortunately. Leicester has finished above us two seasons on the bounce. They might not be as consistent, but it wasn’t exactly that long ago when we first qualified for CL ourselves. Spurs fans have a particular weird hatred for Leicester, and I can only assume it’s because they’ve achieved everything we’ve wanted far quicker than we have, with less resources. They’ve basically came out of nowhere and dunked on us.

All we have achieved under Levy is £1billion debt. Even Leicester boss would rather not be at spurs. Leicester were a nothing club 10 years ago. Damning.

 

[T.K. Massive]

The club took out the loan to pay for the stadium to make the club money. The revenue from the stadium will help fund our squad for the next 30 years. Estimated revenue of 100m per year.

But sure, that extra revenue won't due the club any 'favours'

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That would be great if any of us actually expects it to happen, and granted we don't know because of covid, but things that have happened in the past suggest Levy won't reinvest 100 mil yearly in to the club.

I can't speak for anyone else but that's where my frustrations with ENIC ultimately lie.

 

[T.K. Massive]

How many of the 92 league clubs in the UK have won ZERO trophies in the last twenty years? Just because you feel a divine entitlement to winning trophies doesn't make it a right ....

But hey - entitlement - that's the modern watchword ...

CL Final first ever in our 130 years history - but feck that we din't win right so who cares?

Being a fan is far, far more than just winning things, sure we all want to win things, but for 90% of fans their club will never even come close to an EPL title, a CL Final, or even a Domestic Cup .... but hey we're Spurs so we're entitled to win ... is that what you think?

ENIC need to do better with managers, players and yes WINNING TROPHIES but that's not the be all and end all of running a football club - or supporting one either.

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Agreed, I think what frustrates other people is that we haven't ridden or built on that success.

Again, Liverpool and Tottenham were neck and neck a few years back in terms of squad quality and manager quality. Liverpool decided to go all in and it rewarded them with the league and CL.

We decided to play it very, very, very safe and it backfired.

Also, bringing in Nuno when we had some real opportunities to hire another gem of a manager and then we end up with Nuno doesn't help the cause.

 

[Igula]

In the 20 years that Levy has been spurs owner, Leicester have won a premier league title, an FA cup and a league cup. Those are the hard hitting facts. There is no trophy for finishing in the top 4 unfortunately. Leicester has finished above us two seasons on the bounce. They might not be as consistent, but it wasn’t exactly that long ago when we first qualified for CL ourselves. Spurs fans have a particular weird hatred for Leicester, and I can only assume it’s because they’ve achieved everything we’ve wanted far quicker than we have, with less resources. They’ve basically came out of nowhere and dunked on us.

All we have achieved under Levy is £1billion debt. Even Leicester boss would rather not be at spurs. Leicester were a nothing club 10 years ago. Damning.

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And during that same time frame Liverpool have won a hell of a lot more which is why they should be the target not dog shit Leicester.

 

[harry7]

That would be great if any of us actually expects it to happen, and granted we don't know because of covid, but things that have happened in the past suggest Levy won't reinvest 100 mil yearly in to the club.

I can't speak for anyone else but that's where my frustrations with ENIC ultimately lie.

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erm, what?

https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/media/33788/financial-results-year-end-30-june-2020.pdf

This may help you understand things better. Last year for example the club spend outweighed the revenue and we made a 60m loss.

The last 2 summer transfer windows we have had a net spend of just under 100m euros each window. So thats 200m invested in the squad over the last 2 summer windows. We haven't made 'profit' on a transfer window since 15/16

 

[Kid Chameleon]

I mean let's not be cute about this.

There is no guarantor of success. But Conte wasn't just a manager he was a project, and that project was a financial risk which we refused to take.

We will spend more later to accomplish what Conte could have done now. We would have spent more on the Conte project than it would have cost for Poch to accomplish the same four years ago. The same wrong decision, over and over again.

Leicester City keeps making the opposite decision, that the cost of going for it will ultimately be the right investment, and when it goes right, keep doubling down.

In a 32k stadium in Leicestershire, with none of the bells and whistles, onward and onward they march up behind us financially, to say nothing of the glory on the road there.

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I always liked what Tim Sherwood said about "Projects":

"Plenty of managers talk about "the project". The project is that you either win games or you get the sack."

Always tomorrow, never today. That's our problem right there.

And the thing about Leicester outperforming us was around back in the late 90s when they won the Coca Cola Cup and got into Europe while our playing squad was decimated by injuries. I took great relish is shouting "Here come the losers to get their losers' medals!" at their players when we beat them in the 99 final. Bastards still got the league double over us that season, though.

 

[Lenny Hatchet]

Bloody Nora the diminishing supercunt nerds are back with a load of apologist bollocks .
Defending Enic till they die and their total policy of failure as a football club with owners who don't give a fuck about ambition but only Glory in personal greed .
Let these cunts march in support on match day of their beloved Enic/Levy and they will be fucked over by the true support who love this club and these bastard's know that.

 

[Matt1882]

The club took out the loan to pay for the stadium to make the club money. The revenue from the stadium will help fund our squad for the next 30 years. Estimated revenue of 100m per year.

But sure, that extra revenue won't due the club any 'favours'

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We'll be making Doherty signings for the long term, watch.

 

[Matt1882]

But would we really consider this a worthwhile transfer? He's 34 years old and the chances of us getting our money's worth from him is pretty remote. I don't want the Kane money to be wasted on OAPs.

It's a big name and would generate a lot of excitement but I'd rather get that from what the team are doing on the pitch than use a superstar to try and gloss over our problems.

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Wouldn't even be surprised to see him bomb outside of Barcelona tbh.

 

[MasonBall]

How many of the 92 league clubs in the UK have won ZERO trophies in the last twenty years? Just because you feel a divine entitlement to winning trophies doesn't make it a right ....

But hey - entitlement - that's the modern watchword ...

CL Final first ever in our 130 years history - but feck that we din't win right so who cares?

Being a fan is far, far more than just winning things, sure we all want to win things, but for 90% of fans their club will never even come close to an EPL title, a CL Final, or even a Domestic Cup .... but hey we're Spurs so we're entitled to win ... is that what you think?

ENIC need to do better with managers, players and yes WINNING TROPHIES but that's not the be all and end all of running a football club - or supporting one either.

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I'm sorry mate but you don't feel that signing good players and managers isn't the be all and end all of running a football club? That is literally the point mate, progressing up the football pyramid. Even if you're just a business looking to grow the value of the club to sell on, having a good performing team (and thus a marketable one) will make you money.

 

[T.K. Massive]

erm, what?

https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/media/33788/financial-results-year-end-30-june-2020.pdf

This may help you understand things better. Last year for example the club spend outweighed the revenue and we made a 60m loss.

The last 2 summer transfer windows we have had a net spend of just under 100m euros each window. So thats 200m invested in the squad over the last 2 summer windows. We haven't made 'profit' on a transfer window since 15/16

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...honestly, you can have this one for the reason of who the fuck has the time to go through and read a 48 page pdf just to make a point on a forum.

Can you explain why it doesn't feel like we've invested any money then? Is it just because the core of the team has remained the same and Levy insists on said players staying at the club?