Management ENIC

[Ed Vanderlay]

I still can’t get my head around people rejoicing about the business side of the club . We have gone backwards as a team since the new stadium , the team is a shadow of the team in the old stadium , even Wembley days .
Clearly we are not being driven in the right direction on the field by business activities off the field . As a fan I just cannot comprehend being pleased with the fact that Levy and Lewis are far richer today than they were when buying the club, without any upside for fans .
My priorities as a fan are good football , hopefully a few trophies , the club run in a way that does not embarrass me as a fan, through either stupid or sometimes terrible behaviour, ( see Jol sacking , the alleged lying to Kane , the lying to fans in cringeworthy videos about understanding the clubs DNA , knowingly hiring a DOF whilst already under investigation )

I see no evidence of the club moving in the right direction , the richer the owners have become the worse the football decisions have been .

All the above is only my opinion and I do appreciate others have an opposing view , but I cannot see what pleasure of any kind can be gleaned from the ENIC business model being far , far more successful than the team

 

[Brian Fantana]

This seems fair?

 

[AberdeenYid]

I still can’t get my head around people rejoicing about the business side of the club . We have gone backwards as a team since the new stadium , the team is a shadow of the team in the old stadium , even Wembley days .
Clearly we are not being driven in the right direction on the field by business activities off the field . As a fan I just cannot comprehend being pleased with the fact that Levy and Lewis are far richer today than they were when buying the club, without any upside for fans .
My priorities as a fan are good football , hopefully a few trophies , the club run in a way that does not embarrass me as a fan, through either stupid or sometimes terrible behaviour, ( see Jol sacking , the alleged lying to Kane , the lying to fans in cringeworthy videos about understanding the clubs DNA , knowingly hiring a DOF whilst already under investigation )

I see no evidence of the club moving in the right direction , the richer the owners have become the worse the football decisions have been .

All the above is only my opinion and I do appreciate others have an opposing view , but I cannot see what pleasure of any kind can be gleaned from the ENIC business model being far , far more successful than the team

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I’ve not seen anyone rejoicing about the business side of the club. More just pointing out that being financially secure and having multiple revenue streams should give us a firm foundation to improve the team.

And I do t think anyone thinks we don’t have problems at present. There is just a grey area that ENIC Out tend not to wander into. All the talk from the grief monkeys is that we are on course for relegation next season, Kane is leaving asap and whatever manager we get next will be the wrong one. Opinions so often displayed as facts.

 

[Ed Vanderlay]

I’ve not seen anyone rejoicing about the business side of the club. More just pointing out that being financially secure and having multiple revenue streams should give us a firm foundation to improve the team.

And I do t think anyone thinks we don’t have problems at present. There is just a grey area that ENIC Out tend not to wander into. All the talk from the grief monkeys is that we are on course for relegation next season, Kane is leaving asap and whatever manager we get next will be the wrong one. Opinions so often displayed as facts.

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As a former bookie if I had to give odds on whether Levy would appoint the right or wrong manager , the wrong manager would be a massive favourite. He has hired something like 15 managers , 3 have been decent .
Personally I think all 3 were more by luck than judgement, but I admit to being biased against ENIC .
Let‘s say those 3 were strategically planned , well executed appointments that gives him a 20% strike rate.

So overall form guide is appalling , recent form of 3 disastrous appointments one after the other is an unmitigated disaster. Add to that his latest DOF hire which is a shambles to put it mildly I would price it as follows

1/4 he screws up again
3/1 he gets it right


Not exactly inspiring

 

[AberdeenYid]

As a former bookie if I had to give odds on whether Levy would appoint the right or wrong manager , the wrong manager would be a massive favourite. He has hired something like 15 managers , 3 have been decent .
Personally I think all 3 were more by luck than judgement, but I admit to being biased against ENIC .
Let‘s say those 3 were strategically planned , well executed appointments that gives him a 20% strike rate.

So overall form guide is appalling , recent form of 3 disastrous appointments one after the other is an unmitigated disaster. Add to that his latest DOF hire which is a shambles to put it mildly I would price it as follows

1/4 he screws up again
3/1 he gets it right


Not exactly inspiring

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Or we are due a good one?

 

[rusty]

Levy has put the club on a good footing with lots of non football revenue streams (making himself rich in the process)
he hasn't make football decisions because he wants to waste money or damage the team, BUT that has been the out come
it appears from a distance that either his ego or the people round don't tell him that his ball's it up AGAIN
he thought he could manage the studium project yet we had the delayed opening due (maybe) his contractors cutting data & fire alarm cables

 

[Honest John]

Dawn has broken and we're all still alive.. .....

Thank you, Daniel Levy.

 

[Ed Vanderlay]

Or we are due a good one?

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Which is exactly my point that he stumbled on his good hires . So you are happy with a CEO who needs to fluke a good decision roughly every 6 years. If and it’s an unlikely if in my book he flukes making it4good ones in 23 years


i think you are confirming my views that even a fool will get the odd hit of the dart board if he throws enough darts

 

[Cranston]

This seems fair?

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Good article.

‘It can seem at times as if senior management at the club seem almost pathologically determined to make the wrong decisions’.

I think that captures it nicely. We don’t even seem to benefit from lucky mistakes.

 

[AberdeenYid]

Which is exactly my point that he stumbled on his good hires . So you are happy with a CEO who needs to fluke a good decision roughly every 6 years. If and it’s an unlikely if in my book he flukes making it4good ones in 23 years


i think you are confirming my views that even a fool will get the odd hit of the dart board if he throws enough darts

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No, I’m not happy with that and I don’t think it’s true. I was being flippant.

With the exception of Nuno, I can see the point of every hire we’ve made at the time they were made.

 

[Ed Vanderlay]

No, I’m not happy with that and I don’t think it’s true. I was being flippant.

With the exception of Nuno, I can see the point of every hire we’ve made at the time they were made.

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Appreciate the flippancy , but he has hired 3 managers who have done well for any extended period . He has sacked them all , they were not poached he binned them , one in a style that still makes me angry . He then replaced them with people who did not do as well, I accept Ramos delivered Levy’s only trophy but he had us in a relegation scrap with Modric and Bale in the squad


i was against Jose , I was pro Conte as I felt he must have been given assurances to come . i did feel with both it would end in acrimony but not as quick as it did . Clearly Conte did not feel he got the backing as promised which meant it was ultimately a very predictable explosion.


Ref you agreeing with all the disastrous hires , I can cut you some slack , you are not paid 3- 6 million a year to get those calls right

 

[WillWilliams]

I still can’t get my head around people rejoicing about the business side of the club . We have gone backwards as a team since the new stadium , the team is a shadow of the team in the old stadium , even Wembley days .
Clearly we are not being driven in the right direction on the field by business activities off the field . As a fan I just cannot comprehend being pleased with the fact that Levy and Lewis are far richer today than they were when buying the club, without any upside for fans .
My priorities as a fan are good football , hopefully a few trophies , the club run in a way that does not embarrass me as a fan, through either stupid or sometimes terrible behaviour, ( see Jol sacking , the alleged lying to Kane , the lying to fans in cringeworthy videos about understanding the clubs DNA , knowingly hiring a DOF whilst already under investigation )

I see no evidence of the club moving in the right direction , the richer the owners have become the worse the football decisions have been .

All the above is only my opinion and I do appreciate others have an opposing view , but I cannot see what pleasure of any kind can be gleaned from the ENIC business model being far , far more successful than the team

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ENIC have made themselves rich and been extremely lucky on the pitch to help them get there. Poch and his team were a real case of absolutely everything coming together to create a perfect scenario for them. Why the past few seasons have been hard to watch IMO.


There are less than 35 players who have scored 100+ premier league goals since the premier league began.

Currently 5 of those players are still playing in the Premier League (so not retired or playing in another league).

2 of them play for us. And have scored over 300 premier league goals between them.

Tellingly the other 3 players in that list have all won the league - with different clubs.

To me that really demonstrates what we were able to rely on while tearing down WHL, playing at Wembley, and then the move to the new stadium.
We’ve been very very fortunate to have them.

And we got super lucky with Kane. A generational player. We would never have purchased him like Blackburn and Newcastle did buying shearer for a record fee.
Son was an astute purchase. But Poch had already tried to sign him for Southampton prior to coming to us.

What will happened without those 2 in the team.

I don’t think it’s going to be a positive situation anyway. Is it more insane to think we can replace their goals immediately?


(Also Poch signed Mané for soton and wanted him at spurs for the RW - another player on the 100 goal list. Imagine those 3 as our frontline….)

 

[Richard Arlison]

Liverpool humped Leeds last night and seem to have found their mojo despite being in a rough patch.

Pisses me off more than Woolwich being in a title race.

Liverpool's owners are everything that Levy and ENIC aren't.

I wonder if they feel even a small twinge of competitive urge when they see the difference in what can be achieved with a competitive mindset instead of an accounting mindset.

Liverpool didn't even have a higher net spend than us in recent years. They just have owners that know what they are doing when it comes to Sport. ENIC have never won anything at any club the own.

 

[TomHotspur]

Liverpool humped Leeds last night and seem to have found their mojo despite being in a rough patch.

Pisses me off more than Woolwich being in a title race.

Liverpool's owners are everything that Levy and ENIC aren't.

I wonder if they feel even a small twinge of competitive urge when they see the difference in what can be achieved with a competitive mindset instead of an accounting mindset.

Liverpool didn't even have a higher net spend than us in recent years. They just have owners that know what they are doing when it comes to Sport. ENIC have never won anything at any club the own.

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And Liverpools fans are still furious at their owners, many indeed wanting them out, despite the fact that they have won every trophy there is to win over the last few seasons.
Very very different mentality to many Spurs fans. It’s a big reason ENIC have been getting away with their bullshit for so long.

 

[Ed Vanderlay]

Liverpool humped Leeds last night and seem to have found their mojo despite being in a rough patch.

Pisses me off more than Woolwich being in a title race.

Liverpool's owners are everything that Levy and ENIC aren't.

I wonder if they feel even a small twinge of competitive urge when they see the difference in what can be achieved with a competitive mindset instead of an accounting mindset.

Liverpool didn't even have a higher net spend than us in recent years. They just have owners that know what they are doing when it comes to Sport. ENIC have never won anything at any club the own.

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Hey buddy never forget the Carling Cup

AEK , Rangers and Prague I’m sure all feel deeply connected with our magnificent trophy hall. I can imagine all their fans willing us on as their second team because of their fondness for Levy and Lewis

Strange how the fans at other clubs they owned seem to loathe them , yet somehow we have it all wrong

if it walks like a duck , looks like a duck and quacks like a duck , it’s a fucking duck

 

[stevee]

Dear god, you genuinely think they should be given credit for not raising the already league high prices whilst the club is a complete mess with no manager, a crook director of football and a team that can barely string 2 passes together…

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And this post right here proves my point.

Everyone, from both sides of the argument, were expecting a price increase due to their not being one for a couple of years already.
Everybody from the Enic out side were definitely expecting one. I've seen figures stating that they were expecting a 10% rise due to not having one previously.

I mean, he's only interested in profits and doesn't care about the team and cares even less about the fans, right ?

 

[Ed Vanderlay]

And this post right here proves my point.

Everyone, from both sides of the argument, were expecting a price increase due to their not being one for a couple of years already.
Everybody from the Enic out side were definitely expecting one. I've seen figures stating that they were expecting a 10% rise due to not having one previously.

I mean, he's only interested in profits and doesn't care about the team and cares even less about the fans, right ?

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So you believe if we were comfortably in the Top 4 playing good football , with a manager in place we all loved he would not have increased prices

I must thank him for not raising prices during a Covid crisis , what a guy , especially after he was humiliated into backing down on the furlough PR disaster

 

[stevee]

Yes, we do struggle to compete with the stunning ‘but but Levy could have raised season tickets higher but he didn’t!’ arguments. Level of persuasion and rhetoric than Aristotle would struggle to contend with.

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A fact now becomes an "argument"

Another fact that the cult can't bring themselves to acknowledge and have to use ridicule.

 

[Zomb]

agree with you Levy's lack of strategy and long term vision football wise has cost us,
Levy's need to have save a few quid (millions really) on transfers or wages has cost us players that may have changed us into a top 4 club,
if Levy thinks that Nuno, Jose Conte's system of football is the right way then support the guy bring in the players he wants ( tell the manager/DoF the transfer limit, and they get the player/s that fit that limit)

from the Managers he has picked & the DoF Levy want's to play sit back football, so surely he knows he needs to sell poch players & buy different type of player surely if you change from being a plumbing company into a building company you need to get rid of some plumbers and bring in some builders Levy must see that ?

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Yeah that’s football specific. I also think there’s a broader point that Levy is a geek and a poor leader. He doesn’t create an overall environment where people are pulling in the same direction under his direction.

He would fail in my company for sure through his cloak and dagger style, weak to non existent communication, lack of personality and inability to delegate and trust staff. If he died Tomorrow, we wouldn’t miss him and would do well to find another weaker CEO

 

[stevee]

Always the manager

I think I'd take the judgement of these three guys over that of Levy fanatics like ol' Stevee. Bless him.

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