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Are you saying Utd wouldn't be better placed if they'd spent the £1 BILLION the Glaser's have taken out of the club on players ?
I thought all this ENIC bollocks was tedious before but it's even beyond that already this summer!

Firstly, ENIC will go when ENIC want to go. No amount of protests or booing or whinging on here will change that.

Next, as with everything, this isn't black and white. The ENICOut lot aren't 100% right no matter how many times they repeat the same argument. It is definitely also the case that Levy cannot be 100% defended. Our owners have made same right fuck-ups.

Sane people can see that the truth lies somewhere in the middle though.

ENIC have done a lot of good for this football club - on and off the pitch. We've a lot to be proud of and some seasons have been bloody enjoyable to watch. But the footy is now regressing and are these the people to bring the improvements?

Haters will blame ENIC for Jose, Conte, etc. Terrible decisions but that's mostly in hindsight. Some doubted from the off yes, but when Jose was hired most saw it as a sign that we were now about winning something cos that's what Jose does. Most fancied Conte before the Nuno debacle, again cos he was a 'proven winner'.

This morning there's loads of back and fore in the transfer thread about how we don't pay the wages we need to. Except, in the same thread, people a bemoaning the fact we can't get rid of Ndombele because of his high wages!

Following from that, there's the 'Poch wasn't backed' cry that rears it's head all the time. 'Oh what could have been if we had backed Poch!'. Who was the manager when we signed Ndombele for a record fee with massive wages? And again, most of us were excited to get him.

I know this place is about debate but seeing the same people spout the same cherry-picked half truths in every single thread gets more boring than a night in the pub with me!
ENIC will go when they want to, but Levy could be spooked into a partial sale IMO if we ramp up the stress levels
 
I thought all this ENIC bollocks was tedious before but it's even beyond that already this summer!

Firstly, ENIC will go when ENIC want to go. No amount of protests or booing or whinging on here will change that.

Next, as with everything, this isn't black and white. The ENICOut lot aren't 100% right no matter how many times they repeat the same argument. It is definitely also the case that Levy cannot be 100% defended. Our owners have made same right fuck-ups.

Sane people can see that the truth lies somewhere in the middle though.

ENIC have done a lot of good for this football club - on and off the pitch. We've a lot to be proud of and some seasons have been bloody enjoyable to watch. But the footy is now regressing and are these the people to bring the improvements?

Haters will blame ENIC for Jose, Conte, etc. Terrible decisions but that's mostly in hindsight. Some doubted from the off yes, but when Jose was hired most saw it as a sign that we were now about winning something cos that's what Jose does. Most fancied Conte before the Nuno debacle, again cos he was a 'proven winner'.

This morning there's loads of back and fore in the transfer thread about how we don't pay the wages we need to. Except, in the same thread, people a bemoaning the fact we can't get rid of Ndombele because of his high wages!

Following from that, there's the 'Poch wasn't backed' cry that rears it's head all the time. 'Oh what could have been if we had backed Poch!'. Who was the manager when we signed Ndombele for a record fee with massive wages? And again, most of us were excited to get him.

I know this place is about debate but seeing the same people spout the same cherry-picked half truths in every single thread gets more boring than a night in the pub with me!
I never wanted Ndombele, truth is when we bought him I'd never even heard of him.

Besides you can't make excuses for ENIC by drawing attention to one of their biggest cock ups, that's not the win you think it is. It's just further proof of their incompetence.
 
It is definitely also the case that Levy cannot be 100% defended. Our owners have made same right fuck-ups.

ENIC have done a lot of good for this football club - on and off the pitch. We've a lot to be proud of and some seasons have been bloody enjoyable to watch.

Haters will blame ENIC for Jose, Conte, etc. Terrible decisions but that's mostly in hindsight. Some doubted from the off yes, but when Jose was hired most saw it as a sign that we were now about winning something cos that's what Jose does. Most fancied Conte before the Nuno debacle, again cos he was a 'proven winner'.

This morning there's loads of back and fore in the transfer thread about how we don't pay the wages we need to. Except, in the same thread, people a bemoaning the fact we can't get rid of Ndombele because of his high wages!

Following from that, there's the 'Poch wasn't backed' cry that rears it's head all the time. 'Oh what could have been if we had backed Poch!'. Who was the manager when we signed Ndombele for a record fee with massive wages? And again, most of us were excited to get him.
The problem with ENIC isn't where we've been, it's where we're going.

It's easily visible in the discussion of Ange, which is couched in the language of "this is a great idea IF" "this will work IF".

None of those "if's" will happen. We will fuck it all up in easily predictable ways and wind up even further behind than we are now, rinse and repeat.

I'm not really interesting in continuing this argument into the "when was it first inevitable that this collapse was coming?" era.
 
I thought all this ENIC bollocks was tedious before but it's even beyond that already this summer!

Firstly, ENIC will go when ENIC want to go. No amount of protests or booing or whinging on here will change that.

Next, as with everything, this isn't black and white. The ENICOut lot aren't 100% right no matter how many times they repeat the same argument. It is definitely also the case that Levy cannot be 100% defended. Our owners have made same right fuck-ups.

Sane people can see that the truth lies somewhere in the middle though.

ENIC have done a lot of good for this football club - on and off the pitch. We've a lot to be proud of and some seasons have been bloody enjoyable to watch. But the footy is now regressing and are these the people to bring the improvements?

Haters will blame ENIC for Jose, Conte, etc. Terrible decisions but that's mostly in hindsight. Some doubted from the off yes, but when Jose was hired most saw it as a sign that we were now about winning something cos that's what Jose does. Most fancied Conte before the Nuno debacle, again cos he was a 'proven winner'.

This morning there's loads of back and fore in the transfer thread about how we don't pay the wages we need to. Except, in the same thread, people a bemoaning the fact we can't get rid of Ndombele because of his high wages!

Following from that, there's the 'Poch wasn't backed' cry that rears it's head all the time. 'Oh what could have been if we had backed Poch!'. Who was the manager when we signed Ndombele for a record fee with massive wages? And again, most of us were excited to get him.

I know this place is about debate but seeing the same people spout the same cherry-picked half truths in every single thread gets more boring than a night in the pub with me!

Yawn. Another ENIC criticism deflector claiming to be "balanced" and then only acting as if one side of guilty of the same arguments. Just a post packed full of apologist nonsense excuses. Haters will blame ENIC for Conte & Jose? Fucking hell - who appointed them, who decided to go for this type of coach?! Who gets the blame, genius?


Just tell the truth - you're not bored of the same arguments, you're seething at seeing criticism for ENIC because you are, at heart, an ENICITE.
 
Yawn. Another ENIC criticism deflector claiming to be "balanced" and then only acting as if one side of guilty of the same arguments. Just a post packed full of apologist nonsense excuses. Haters will blame ENIC for Conte & Jose? Fucking hell - who appointed them, who decided to go for this type of coach?! Who gets the blame, genius?


Just tell the truth - you're not bored of the same arguments, you're seething at seeing criticism for ENIC because you are, at heart, an ENICITE.
I've been on record for a long time stating that I don't care who owns the club.

But as usual, to you, Lenny Hatchet Lenny Hatchet and the rest of your crew someone who isnt vociferously ENICOut must wanna suck Daniel's balls.

And Distaste for scouse Distaste for scouse - I was only using Ndombele to show that they have been willing to spend big to back the manager in response to the argument that ENIC don't spend.

The fundamental issue is that what we have spent on players has, on the whole, turned out to be massive fuck ups. Never argued otherwise.
 
I thought all this ENIC bollocks was tedious before but it's even beyond that already this summer!

Firstly, ENIC will go when ENIC want to go. No amount of protests or booing or whinging on here will change that.

Next, as with everything, this isn't black and white. The ENICOut lot aren't 100% right no matter how many times they repeat the same argument. It is definitely also the case that Levy cannot be 100% defended. Our owners have made same right fuck-ups.

Sane people can see that the truth lies somewhere in the middle though.

ENIC have done a lot of good for this football club - on and off the pitch. We've a lot to be proud of and some seasons have been bloody enjoyable to watch. But the footy is now regressing and are these the people to bring the improvements?

Haters will blame ENIC for Jose, Conte, etc. Terrible decisions but that's mostly in hindsight. Some doubted from the off yes, but when Jose was hired most saw it as a sign that we were now about winning something cos that's what Jose does. Most fancied Conte before the Nuno debacle, again cos he was a 'proven winner'.

This morning there's loads of back and fore in the transfer thread about how we don't pay the wages we need to. Except, in the same thread, people a bemoaning the fact we can't get rid of Ndombele because of his high wages!

Following from that, there's the 'Poch wasn't backed' cry that rears it's head all the time. 'Oh what could have been if we had backed Poch!'. Who was the manager when we signed Ndombele for a record fee with massive wages? And again, most of us were excited to get him.

I know this place is about debate but seeing the same people spout the same cherry-picked half truths in every single thread gets more boring than a night in the pub with me!
Ndombele is very much the exception to the rule at Spurs. A high fee and a high wage.
Probably a last effort too to give poch what he wanted. I actually blame Poch for a lot of our shit players.
Sanchez, GLC, NDombele, they all seem hard to shift and were all bought for Poch in the post Mitchel era. Unless Poch ever comes out one day and says he didn't want them, I will forever doubt his scouting ability.
 
Ndombele is very much the exception to the rule at Spurs. A high fee and a high wage.
Probably a last effort too to give poch what he wanted. I actually blame Poch for a lot of our shit players.
Sanchez, GLC, NDombele, they all seem hard to shift and were all bought for Poch in the post Mitchel era. Unless Poch ever comes out one day and says he didn't want them, I will forever doubt his scouting ability.
Yeah he is the example of when we did go big and did throw money and it didn't work.

And that's the issue, before his move most of us wanted us to throw the cash at him. It's hindsight that lets us know that we fucked up spectacularly.

Same with Jose.
Same with Conte.

These were moves that, on the whole, we're lauded at the time and just didn't work out.
 
Yeah he is the example of when we did go big and did throw money and it didn't work.

And that's the issue, before his move most of us wanted us to throw the cash at him. It's hindsight that lets us know that we fucked up spectacularly.

Same with Jose.
Same with Conte.

These were moves that, on the whole, we're lauded at the time and just didn't work out.
What worries me, is that Daniel was likely scarred for life because of Ndombele, and to a lesser extent, GLC.
Chances are, he'll never sanction a high fee and high wage in one package again.
 
Ndombele is very much the exception to the rule at Spurs. A high fee and a high wage.
Probably a last effort too to give poch what he wanted. I actually blame Poch for a lot of our shit players.
Sanchez, GLC, NDombele, they all seem hard to shift and were all bought for Poch in the post Mitchel era. Unless Poch ever comes out one day and says he didn't want them, I will forever doubt his scouting ability.

Well, to be fair to Poch he only had a few months managing both players before he was sacked.

Who knows? Maybe if he'd stayed he would've got the best out of both.

I mean, probably not but they were brought in to work under Poch and not Mourinho or Nuno or Conte.

Maybe Big Ange will get a turn out of one or both of them. I'd rather they be sold or sent out loan but seeing as we're so 'poor', he might be forced to give them another chance.
 
Well, to be fair to Poch he only had a few months managing both players before he was sacked.

Who knows? Maybe if he'd stayed he would've got the best out of both.

I mean, probably not but they were brought in to work under Poch and not Mourinho or Nuno or Conte.

Maybe Big Ange will get a turn out of one or both of them. I'd rather they be sold or sent out loan but seeing as we're so 'poor', he might be forced to give them another chance.
Aw don't encourage Honest John Honest John to post his CBS graphic again!
 
Well, to be fair to Poch he only had a few months managing both players before he was sacked.

Who knows? Maybe if he'd stayed he would've got the best out of both.

I mean, probably not but they were brought in to work under Poch and not Mourinho or Nuno or Conte.

Maybe Big Ange will get a turn out of one or both of them. I'd rather they be sold or sent out loan but seeing as we're so 'poor', he might be forced to give them another chance.
Poch was great at many things, but spending money was not one of them.
His best results came with existing players (Lloris, Rose, Walker, Vertonghen, Dembele, Eriksen and Kane
In terms of signings, his best signings were in the Mitchel era and cheap really. Alderwiereld, Dele, Son,

That's most of his best team there. Existing players and cheap, tactical signings. We needed a CB. We needed attackers.
 
Poch was great at many things, but spending money was not one of them.
His best results came with existing players (Lloris, Rose, Walker, Vertonghen, Dembele, Eriksen and Kane
In terms of signings, his best signings were in the Mitchel era and cheap really. Alderwiereld, Dele, Son,

That's most of his best team there. Existing players and cheap, tactical signings. We needed a CB. We needed attackers.

Son wasn't considered cheap at the time, he also wanted Wanyama and Llorente and Moura.

We didn't get every signing right but the hit ratio was still a lot higher than it's been over the past 4-5 years.
 
Son wasn't considered cheap at the time, he also wanted Wanyama and Llorente and Moura.

We didn't get every signing right but the hit ratio was still a lot higher than it's been over the past 4-5 years.
Son was fairly expensive then, yes. Although less than Soldado and Lamela. Was also probably on lower wages too.
Wanyama was a good signing and not expensive. Not sure how badly he wanted Moura and Llorente tbh, but Llorente was free and Moura was less than most of our failures. That said, he too has stunk the place out for 3 years too long.
 
I thought all this ENIC bollocks was tedious before but it's even beyond that already this summer!

Firstly, ENIC will go when ENIC want to go. No amount of protests or booing or whinging on here will change that.

Next, as with everything, this isn't black and white. The ENICOut lot aren't 100% right no matter how many times they repeat the same argument. It is definitely also the case that Levy cannot be 100% defended. Our owners have made same right fuck-ups.

Sane people can see that the truth lies somewhere in the middle though.

ENIC have done a lot of good for this football club - on and off the pitch. We've a lot to be proud of and some seasons have been bloody enjoyable to watch. But the footy is now regressing and are these the people to bring the improvements?

Haters will blame ENIC for Jose, Conte, etc. Terrible decisions but that's mostly in hindsight. Some doubted from the off yes, but when Jose was hired most saw it as a sign that we were now about winning something cos that's what Jose does. Most fancied Conte before the Nuno debacle, again cos he was a 'proven winner'.

This morning there's loads of back and fore in the transfer thread about how we don't pay the wages we need to. Except, in the same thread, people a bemoaning the fact we can't get rid of Ndombele because of his high wages!

Following from that, there's the 'Poch wasn't backed' cry that rears it's head all the time. 'Oh what could have been if we had backed Poch!'. Who was the manager when we signed Ndombele for a record fee with massive wages? And again, most of us were excited to get him.

I know this place is about debate but seeing the same people spout the same cherry-picked half truths in every single thread gets more boring than a night in the pub with me!
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ENIC will go when they want to, but Levy could be spooked into a partial sale IMO if we ramp up the stress levels
The absolute worst case scenario is that Lewis decides to sell up and Levy comes up with the funding to become majority shareholder.

I just don’t see anyway in which Levy walks away. Lewis couldn’t give a fuck, but Levy is going to be with us for decades.
 
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