Exactly. Chances of us buying anyone close to as good as Kane is very unlikely.
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I wouldn't expect top 4 for United without Rashford at all. They wasted a lot of money on Anthony who was pretty poor for the most part. Who else is scoring for them? Fernandez had a poor season by his standards, Martial is not the player he was ever touted to be.
Liverpool were doing terribly until Salah stepped it up and rescued their season somewhat. Nunez was an awful purchase that most in here would be embarrassed by if Levy had brought him to WHL.
Bentancur and Bissosuma's injury were very crucial to our season, and had both been fit I believe we would have finished higher than 8th.
Son, golden boot winner who had a crap season was playing though inury for most of it and every single person on this board would have called him an incredible player this time last year.
Our struggle for 8th is nuanced far beyond 'we only have one really good player'.
Levy is hanging on a thread for fan confidence with this CB search.
Van de Ven looks a serious talent and it's great we are getting in before he's too expensive. maybe learning from the Kim Min Jae deal.
BUT
If we end the summer with this as a CB lineup:
Van de Ven, Lenglet
Romero, Dier
There will be no defending him and his neglect for the CB position.
Van de Ven looks a serious talent and it's great we are getting in before he's too expensive. maybe learning from the Kim Min Jae deal.
BUT
If we end the summer with this as a CB lineup:
Van de Ven, Lenglet
Romero, Dier
There will be no defending him and his neglect for the CB position.
Yes...we have 2 really good players....that will get us into Europe...
Simply ridiculous statement. We were in the CL last season with pretty much the same players we had this. Were they really good at the end of 2022 season but now cos we didn't get into the CL they aren't?
Nuance, circumstance. Things are more complex than you're clearly willing to explore.
We shall see when he leaves. I think we will miss him more than you realise. I think Woolwich & city still get top 4 without the mentioned players. & I still think we are more reliant on kane than the others are on the players you chose. I think they are all better teams.
Yeah I still have hope for bissouma & think he will become a good player for us. Bentancur was a big blow. I think we finish 6th if he had stayed fit.
For Son it’s a make or break season. Either it was an off season or he’s on the decline & this is him now.
Honestly think the new guys does well to get us 6th . Think it’s harsh to expect more with what he has.
Don't you understand irony mr dudu?
Not saying we don't need more, but what else did we have the year before when we did qualify for the CL?
We've made progress this summer already. Still need to make some changes to the squad, but it's already markedly better than the 22/23 squad and I'd argue its better than the 21/22 squad.
Peak son? & in form Kulu. Maybe don’t have kane either this season. We need a lot. But the fact it’s top 5 & not top 4 makes a huge difference. We may not reclaim our top 4 trophy but we can win the top 5 one!
Thanks for the reasoned reply. I think we have had two recent managers playing systems that didn't fit our players. Not so much the formations but more the rigidity of the in game movements and patterns that stifled rather than played to theirs strengths.
Madison, VDV, Solomon, Vicario all great signings with still the best to see of Bissosuma, Richalrlison, Porro, Deki and one game a week
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Whilst I'm not convinced we will get Top 4 this season, I think we will see much more competent, confident football from what is actually a very good group of footballers
I did not lol and I apologise. New to the board and very used to hearing statements like that and posters being serious
Well it’s top 5 this season so I think that’s a big difference. As I feel city & Woolwich are better. Then just 2 places left for us, United, newcastle, Liverpool & maybe chelsea but probably too soon for that mess! It’s hard to predict every year.
I’d be careful of calling all our signings great . We do it every season & then act shocked when they aren’t. We don’t like to learn our lesson! Calling Solomon a great signing is very optimistic for example.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Kane goes & rich comes in to his own. I know nothing about the 4 signings bar Maddison. Just always told they great & then we are trying to get rid of them before you know it!
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The other way to put that is, as was already pointed out, last season Son, Betancur, and Bissouma had significant injury layoffs and a manager that effectively downed tools 1/3rd into the season. Hard to think that didn't effect players' form, including Kulu (and Richarlison).
Now we get a healthy Son, Betancur, Bissouma, a manager that gives a fuck. Add to that a keeper that isn't past it, one of England's best creative midfielders, anotger player with very high goal involvement/minutes stats on a free and counting.
Like I said, there's still world to do and it looks like the club is still working on a couple of defenders and possibly more. We're not nailed on top 4, aside from City who is? But acting like we're £300M away from top 4 is dramatic.
I'm more worried about the Postie than I am our transfer business.
Except Kulusevski and Bentancur obvs.
I know nothing about the new manager so can’t really give an opinion on him. I’ve not really read up on his style of play or anything, so it will be a complete surprise to me. Hopefully a good one.
Yes, I expect us to be better than last season. We really underperformed so it can’t be as bad! Rich, biss & son should be better. Porro all season is an upgrade too. Conte was a bad choice from levy for the sort of players we got so they might feel happier with the new guy.
But with what we have I don’t think 6th is that bad so I get some will think the new manager has done a bad job. But I just see it the other way when you consider what he has to work with. Especially that defence!
I am not saying we are awful. More like a 5th-8th type team. With the occasional CL qualification trophy every few years.
Sorry, when I meant we need a lot more. I was more talking about winning stuff & challenging for things. We are miles away. We can over perform & others under perform & get 4th or 5th next season with what we have. Same way I think we over achieved when we got 4th with conte & Woolwich under performed.
Last season Woolwich over performed where as us, Liverpool & Chelsea underperformed.
That’s why it’s hard to predict top 5 next season. Who knows how the teams around us will be.
So I go more off expectations. Do you expect this manager to get top 5 with the current players? Not for me.
But equally others might think we should do & then get rid of the new guy if we don’t. Very harsh in my eyes!
Ps. Kane staying/going will be 2 positions difference at least in my view.
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Not sure about Kulu sadly. Was poor last season. Hopefully it’s not because he has been found out. But I think it was right to buy him for 25 for what he has shown previously & with his age. So I still got faith in him.
But yeah 2 out of about every 10 Is our recruitment success rate!
I think the superb management skills of Antonio Conte, along with the Woolwich implosion, are the main reasons we made it into the Champions league.
We then failed to back him, didn't capitalise on our good fortune, and the rest, of course, is history.
Without Kane, I'd say I expect 5th with better football. Less than that will be a disappointment. More will be an overachievement. 8th or worse and the Postie experiment was a failure and he should be sacked.
With Kane anything less than 4th is failure. If he isn't signed to an extension, which looks unlikely, then the only reason to keep him is to secure the CL money.
The former is my preferred scenario. It's time for a new era.
The problem could be that Kane will not be suited to Ange’s style of fast, fast football. With Maddison the creator will Kane be asked to stay forward a lot more but will he be able to? Kane is not the fastest as well.
Kanes goals saved us last year but neither Son nor Dejan produced any good form. We had something like about 40 goals from our front 3 and many goals against. What if we did lose Kane and got in say Vlahovic. He could only get 20 but Son got 20 and Dejan got 12 that’s already an improvement. Then our defence improves and we ship far fewer goals, that’s an improvement and it’s all without Kane.