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[Mick Cooper]

The french government are supporting the democratically elected leader and withdraw military support once the military coup started.

France are AGAINST the military coup.

I don’t know why I’m discussing this with someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

The internet is dumb as shit.

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you're on it too

 

[Mick Cooper]

So you want to keep Levy just in case he sells up to Arabs. Some people might see that as being a tad racist.

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oh fucking spare me.

just go somewhere else, another planet...

if you can't see any issue with oil state money being fundamentally wrong, and all you can do is wave a racist flag, then you are either a troll or dumber than my dog

 

[LeParisien]

you're on it too

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Guilty

 

[Incomplete_usernam]

yeah, have you ever been? This simplification doesn't do the convo/reality any justice. There is more than enough racism in Appalachia...of course, that doesn't mean that everyone is raging racist...but if I were looking for one it would be target rich environment.

The debate about M.E. ownership drips with 'othering'...and we'd see it here if ENIC were to sell to Qatar or someone else.

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Actually, I have been to the south in America, not to Appalachia in particular but to many other states, some of which you would consider "deep south" I had a really positive experience with people as someone from what would be considered a "minority group" (HATE that term.)

Whilst I would agree with the sentiment that less culturally diverse places do tend to create insular viewpoints and that would, like you say, in theory create a more "target rich environment" life experience has also taught me that people are far more complex than stereotypes.

Like you say, suggesting that anybody who would own us from the Middle East would be involved with blood money etc is simply ludicrous and likely stems from unconsious biases and stereotyping but that also applies for people in places like Appalachia, it works both ways imo.

 

[todd1882]

Actually, I have been to the south in America, not to Appalachia in particular but to many other states, some of which you would consider "deep south" I had a really positive experience with people as someone from what would be considered a "minority group" (HATE that term.)

Whilst I would agree with the sentiment that less culturally diverse places do tend to create insular viewpoints and that would, like you say, in theory create a more "target rich environment" life experience has also taught me that people are far more complex than stereotypes.

Like you say, suggesting that anybody who would own us from the Middle East would be involved with blood money etc is simply ludicrous and likely stems from unconsious biases and stereotyping but that also applies for people in places like Appalachia, it works both ways imo.

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Last 8 or so years in America has led me to believe that certain folks no longer get the presumption of innocence on these matters...and I have worked in that area as 'other'...genuinely 2/3rds weren't bothered...but the other 1/3rd...

And in ENIC/Spurs' case, I think we would see folks' true colo(u)rs if this prospective ownership situation came to pass. Of course many would find any and all other reasons as to why...but there'd only be 1 reason. Would have been fun if Levy DID sell to the Saudis with whom he was negotiating back in 2018...

 

[stevee]

Nonsense take...you have no idea who is and who isn't. And unless ANYONE has done the work to challenge their biases they are more than likely the holder of questionable views. And I would hold out judgement on ANYONE of his age and (presumed) cultural upbringing...not to mention those he associates with who are not the most tolerant of bunch.

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You can fuck right off.

Look who started the racism/prejudice thread, my comments in there and then come back and apologise.

 

[Nuts]

I’ve just realised that Hungarian folk music is basically Ska

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[Richard Arlison]

You can fuck right off.

Look who started the racism/prejudice thread, my comments in there and then come back and apologise.

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Not wanting Saudi owners doesn’t make you racist.

In any way,

Hypocrite maybe but we all are one of those

 

[Mick Cooper]

Actually, I have been to the south in America, not to Appalachia in particular but to many other states, some of which you would consider "deep south" I had a really positive experience with people as someone from what would be considered a "minority group" (HATE that term.)

Whilst I would agree with the sentiment that less culturally diverse places do tend to create insular viewpoints and that would, like you say, in theory create a more "target rich environment" life experience has also taught me that people are far more complex than stereotypes.

Like you say, suggesting that anybody who would own us from the Middle East would be involved with blood money etc is simply ludicrous and likely stems from unconsious biases and stereotyping but that also applies for people in places like Appalachia, it works both ways imo.

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does it not occur to you that some people might just be a bit pissed off that these states hold an obscene amount of wealth that they did nothing to earn, and then take the mickey out of the rest of the world by flaunting their wealth by pissing the money away on vanity projects, crass displays of ostentation and mix it all in with religious hypocrisy, crimes against humanity and more ism's than are barely believable?

This is an area of the planet (middle east) that has unbelievable wealth through natural resource that they do shag all to harvest - apart from pay the rest of the world to collect it and refine it for them, and then play god with the worlds economy by fucking around with the value of the product.

This is the most hypocritical region of nations on the planetwith a fundamental belief system that is obnoxious, maintained and promoted by a collective mindset that reject and adopt it with a yoyo stability that makes their pious agression revolting to witness.

In footballing terms, the answer is simple. Every football club should be owned and run by the country it resides in. All clubs should be operated with teams that are predominantly staffed by naturalised citizens (ie more than 50% as a minimum) and that clubs should only be able to spend money on salaries and transfers that they earn.
Sadly, it will never happen because the sport is run by sponsorship greed, the assosciations (that run the game) are largely corrupt and the obscene wealth from natural resource gifted regions simply buy out household names (Chelsea, Man city, PSG, Newcastle) and turn the game into bank balance pissing contests.

What Spurs supporters have to do is pick the facet of the game that they see as being the most admirable

• Do you want us to remain British, and self sufficient
• Do you want us to run for the money and sell out to wealthy corporations or resource rich nations
• Do you want the club to stand on its own two feet and accept that the money whores will win everything by fiscal battery
• Or bend over and and open your legs and say I'm prepared to win at any cost - even if I have to sell my soul to achieve it

Most of you are young and just accept the way the world is - and say, why not.
Some of us remember when football in England and the Uk was a level playing field, and you achieved success by good scouting, and actual good management and selection of talent.
The younger generation see us as deluded old farts, clinging to the past

But what you fail to grasp - is that we want the same as you do - to see us win and be top of the league
But we are uneasy at the thought of having to sell the soul of the club, the league, and our national sport - to wallet waving conglomerates and nations, with no sense of sporting achievement - by hijacking our historic infrastructure to sell their products, national airlines or simply dick waving their wealth to the rest of the world.............

off the back of the sport that we love.

But call it racism. As you sit on your high horse, pontificating about the rejection of the option that you choose
- because you don't want to actually think about the long term damage to the infrastructure of the game in our country.

 

[Incomplete_usernam]

does it not occur to you that some people might just be a bit pissed off that these states hold an obscene amount of wealth that they did nothing to earn, and then take the mickey out of the rest of the world by flaunting their wealth by pissing the money away on vanity projects, crass displays of ostentation and mix it all in with religious hypocrisy, crimes against humanity and more ism's than are barely believable?

This is an area of the planet (middle east) that has unbelievable wealth through natural resource that they do shag all to harvest - apart from pay the rest of the world to collect it and refine it for them, and then play god with the worlds economy by fucking around with the value of the product.

This is the most hypocritical region of nations on the planetwith a fundamental belief system that is obnoxious, maintained and promoted by a collective mindset that reject and adopt it with a yoyo stability that makes their pious agression revolting to witness.

In footballing terms, the answer is simple. Every football club should be owned and run by the country it resides in. All clubs should be operated with teams that are predominantly staffed by naturalised citizens (ie more than 50% as a minimum) and that clubs should only be able to spend money on salaries and transfers that they earn.
Sadly, it will never happen because the sport is run by sponsorship greed, the assosciations (that run the game) are largely corrupt and the obscene wealth from natural resource gifted regions simply buy out household names (Chelsea, Man city, PSG, Newcastle) and turn the game into bank balance pissing contests.

What Spurs supporters have to do is pick the facet of the game that they see as being the most admirable

• Do you want us to remain British, and self sufficient
• Do you want us to run for the money and sell out to wealthy corporations or resource rich nations
• Do you want the club to stand on its own two feet and accept that the money whores will win everything by fiscal battery
• Or bend over and and open your legs and say I'm prepared to win at any cost - even if I have to sell my soul to achieve it

Most of you are young and just accept the way the world is - and say, why not.
Some of us remember when football in England and the Uk was a level playing field, and you achieved success by good scouting, and actual good management and selection of talent.
The younger generation see us as deluded old farts, clinging to the past

But what you fail to grasp - is that we want the same as you do - to see us win and be top of the league
But we are uneasy at the thought of having to sell the soul of the club, the league, and our national sport - to wallet waving conglomerates and nations, with no sense of sporting achievement - by hijacking our historic infrastructure to sell their products, national airlines or simply dick waving their wealth to the rest of the world.............

off the back of the sport that we love.

But call it racism. As you sit on your high horse, pontificating about the rejection of the option that you choose
- because you don't want to actually think about the long term damage to the infrastructure of the game in our country.

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Mick, first of all, I never said anybody was racist and I am not sitting on a high horse.

I said people are prone to biases and stereotyping when they lump every single individual into the same bracket.

Not every single person in the Middle East is some homophobic, sexist, hardcore religious, blood and oil money tycoon, grey areas exist in the world my friend.

Now, I am not in disagreement that the Middle East has HUGE problems when it comes to these issues and how they have sourced their wealth, that isn't even up for debate.

But, you know, you could also point to many countries (even in the West) and say the same thing, especially when they were in their infancy, our hands are certainly not clean when looking at the world from an historical perspective.

I don't subscribe to isms when it involves religious criticism either, as someone who is agnostic, I really feel all religion is open for critique (and ridicule when it involves degrading and harming things that doesn't align with it).

As far as what people in the Middle East do with their wealth, well, the market dictates that really doesn't it?

This is where huge levels of hypocrisy enter the conversation because on one hand you are trying to explain why the "game has gone" and you make some very valid points that I happen to agree with, I am not denying that.

However, you still support and watch the product that allows this to continue unchallenged, it's no different to people who claim to be communists whilst they tweet/share from a device that stands for everything they condemn and loathe.

I am 38, wouldn't really call that young but I appreciate the compliment, however I also don't believe that age is a defining factor when it comes to knowledge, power or wisdom, that's little more than a comfort blanket for people who choose to remain ignorant and embedded in their own biases.

They also hand wave criticism as youthful inexperience in the world, I know many older people who have never left the 15 mile radius they have lived in their entire life, they have no real grasp on what exists outside of what they read.

I am a fairly well travelled individual and more importantly have experienced a lot in my life from hardship to success yet I always feel like I have more to learn and gain, even from this conversation, I keep myself honest by always looking inwards, questioning my own ideas and thoughts and with the knowledge that I could always be wrong and that being wrong is an opportunity for growth.


Your overall point here is that you are worried the club is going to sell it's soul, well, I am afraid to say Mick, it already has, it's just sold it to the devil you know.

Football is never returning to what it once was, yes, that is sad and yes, the game is worse now than it ever has been; but outside of walking away from it and freeing yourself of the hypocritical oath you take every single time you sit and watch a Spurs game or every single football fan in the country saying "we reject this" and walking away, you really have no control over it.

In your mind that probably makes me "weak" and just "accepting" of what football has become but that simply isn't the case, I just understand that we are all powerless to it without some form of mass rejection and that would have happened long ago if it was going to my friend.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Sorry mate, I'm not being pedantic, I'm just interested in who that might be? What's your view on the people we have heard may be interested in buying us in the past?

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Honestly mate, I don't know.

I heard Jay Z was interested. It seems an odd thing for him to get involved with.

 

[Mick Cooper]

Mick, first of all, I never said anybody was racist and I am not sitting on a high horse.

I said people are prone to biases and stereotyping when they lump every single individual into the same bracket.

Not every single person in the Middle East is some homophobic, sexist, hardcore religious, blood and oil money tycoon, grey areas exist in the world my friend.

Now, I am not in disagreement that the Middle East has HUGE problems when it comes to these issues and how they have sourced their wealth, that isn't even up for debate.

But, you know, you could also point to many countries (even in the West) and say the same thing, especially when they were in their infancy, our hands are certainly not clean when looking at the world from an historical perspective.

I don't subscribe to isms when it involves religious criticism either, as someone who is agnostic, I really feel all religion is open for critique (and ridicule when it involves degrading and harming things that doesn't align with it).

As far as what people in the Middle East do with their wealth, well, the market dictates that really doesn't it?

This is where huge levels of hypocrisy enter the conversation because on one hand you are trying to explain why the "game has gone" and you make some very valid points that I happen to agree with, I am not denying that.

However, you still support and watch the product that allows this to continue unchallenged, it's no different to people who claim to be communists whilst they tweet/share from a device that stands for everything they condemn and loathe.

I am 38, wouldn't really call that young but I appreciate the compliment, however I also don't believe that age is a defining factor when it comes to knowledge, power or wisdom, that's little more than a comfort blanket for people who choose to remain ignorant and embedded in their own biases.

They also hand wave criticism as youthful inexperience in the world, I know many older people who have never left the 15 mile radius they have lived in their entire life, they have no real grasp on what exists outside of what they read.

I am a fairly well travelled individual and more importantly have experienced a lot in my life from hardship to success yet I always feel like I have more to learn and gain, even from this conversation, I keep myself honest by always looking inwards, questioning my own ideas and thoughts and with the knowledge that I could always be wrong and that being wrong is an opportunity for growth.


Your overall point here is that you are worried the club is going to sell it's soul, well, I am afraid to say Mick, it already has, it's just sold it to the devil you know.

Football is never returning to what it once was, yes, that is sad and yes, the game is worse now than it ever has been; but outside of walking away from it and freeing yourself of the hypocritical oath you take every single time you sit and watch a Spurs game or every single football fan in the country saying "we reject this" and walking away, you really have no control over it.

In your mind that probably makes me "weak" and just "accepting" of what football has become but that simply isn't the case, I just understand that we are all powerless to it without some form of mass rejection and that would have happened long ago if it was going to my friend.

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If it helps, not everything in my post was directed at you, but the wording of your post made it look like a racism dig.
Not every person who grows old becomes a wise and educated guru, and neither is everyone in their youth an ignoramus, However having lived through watching football when the playing field was a level one, it does make you weep to see the state it's in now. But it does not make me a hypocrite to continue watching or supporting - the game is great to watch and talent levels are incredible, but the bias is firmly with the financially doped.
Our club is wholly British in ownership and is one of the richest in financial turnover in the world, despite having won fuck all, because the owners are more interested in running it like a business than an ambitious football club.
I wish that they would change, but they won't (I suspect) and I think they will sell out to the kind of ownership we (I) despise.

 

[Archie]

does it not occur to you that some people might just be a bit pissed off that these states hold an obscene amount of wealth that they did nothing to earn, and then take the mickey out of the rest of the world by flaunting their wealth by pissing the money away on vanity projects, crass displays of ostentation and mix it all in with religious hypocrisy, crimes against humanity and more ism's than are barely believable?

This is an area of the planet (middle east) that has unbelievable wealth through natural resource that they do shag all to harvest - apart from pay the rest of the world to collect it and refine it for them, and then play god with the worlds economy by fucking around with the value of the product.

This is the most hypocritical region of nations on the planetwith a fundamental belief system that is obnoxious, maintained and promoted by a collective mindset that reject and adopt it with a yoyo stability that makes their pious agression revolting to witness.

In footballing terms, the answer is simple. Every football club should be owned and run by the country it resides in. All clubs should be operated with teams that are predominantly staffed by naturalised citizens (ie more than 50% as a minimum) and that clubs should only be able to spend money on salaries and transfers that they earn.
Sadly, it will never happen because the sport is run by sponsorship greed, the assosciations (that run the game) are largely corrupt and the obscene wealth from natural resource gifted regions simply buy out household names (Chelsea, Man city, PSG, Newcastle) and turn the game into bank balance pissing contests.

What Spurs supporters have to do is pick the facet of the game that they see as being the most admirable

• Do you want us to remain British, and self sufficient
• Do you want us to run for the money and sell out to wealthy corporations or resource rich nations
• Do you want the club to stand on its own two feet and accept that the money whores will win everything by fiscal battery
• Or bend over and and open your legs and say I'm prepared to win at any cost - even if I have to sell my soul to achieve it

Most of you are young and just accept the way the world is - and say, why not.
Some of us remember when football in England and the Uk was a level playing field, and you achieved success by good scouting, and actual good management and selection of talent.
The younger generation see us as deluded old farts, clinging to the past

But what you fail to grasp - is that we want the same as you do - to see us win and be top of the league
But we are uneasy at the thought of having to sell the soul of the club, the league, and our national sport - to wallet waving conglomerates and nations, with no sense of sporting achievement - by hijacking our historic infrastructure to sell their products, national airlines or simply dick waving their wealth to the rest of the world.............

off the back of the sport that we love.

But call it racism. As you sit on your high horse, pontificating about the rejection of the option that you choose
- because you don't want to actually think about the long term damage to the infrastructure of the game in our country.

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Great post

 

[stevee]

Not wanting Saudi owners doesn’t make you racist.

In any way,

Hypocrite maybe but we all are one of those

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Cheers mate.

It did make me laugh that he's basically saying not to presume anything..... and then goes on to make presumptions based on my age and upbringing. An upbringing that he knows nothing about................................Well, that and the fact that he allegedly has me on ignore so has no idea what I'm supposed to have said.

 

[dudu]

does it not occur to you that some people might just be a bit pissed off that these states hold an obscene amount of wealth that they did nothing to earn, and then take the mickey out of the rest of the world by flaunting their wealth by pissing the money away on vanity projects, crass displays of ostentation and mix it all in with religious hypocrisy, crimes against humanity and more ism's than are barely believable?

This is an area of the planet (middle east) that has unbelievable wealth through natural resource that they do shag all to harvest - apart from pay the rest of the world to collect it and refine it for them, and then play god with the worlds economy by fucking around with the value of the product.

This is the most hypocritical region of nations on the planetwith a fundamental belief system that is obnoxious, maintained and promoted by a collective mindset that reject and adopt it with a yoyo stability that makes their pious agression revolting to witness.

In footballing terms, the answer is simple. Every football club should be owned and run by the country it resides in. All clubs should be operated with teams that are predominantly staffed by naturalised citizens (ie more than 50% as a minimum) and that clubs should only be able to spend money on salaries and transfers that they earn.
Sadly, it will never happen because the sport is run by sponsorship greed, the assosciations (that run the game) are largely corrupt and the obscene wealth from natural resource gifted regions simply buy out household names (Chelsea, Man city, PSG, Newcastle) and turn the game into bank balance pissing contests.

What Spurs supporters have to do is pick the facet of the game that they see as being the most admirable

• Do you want us to remain British, and self sufficient
• Do you want us to run for the money and sell out to wealthy corporations or resource rich nations
• Do you want the club to stand on its own two feet and accept that the money whores will win everything by fiscal battery
• Or bend over and and open your legs and say I'm prepared to win at any cost - even if I have to sell my soul to achieve it

Most of you are young and just accept the way the world is - and say, why not.
Some of us remember when football in England and the Uk was a level playing field, and you achieved success by good scouting, and actual good management and selection of talent.
The younger generation see us as deluded old farts, clinging to the past

But what you fail to grasp - is that we want the same as you do - to see us win and be top of the league
But we are uneasy at the thought of having to sell the soul of the club, the league, and our national sport - to wallet waving conglomerates and nations, with no sense of sporting achievement - by hijacking our historic infrastructure to sell their products, national airlines or simply dick waving their wealth to the rest of the world.............

off the back of the sport that we love.

But call it racism. As you sit on your high horse, pontificating about the rejection of the option that you choose
- because you don't want to actually think about the long term damage to the infrastructure of the game in our country.

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Interesting take.

Wasn't the long-term damage to the 'historic' infrastructure of the game supercharged by a British company called SKY?

 

[McCOYS]

oh fucking spare me.

just go somewhere else, another planet...

if you can't see any issue with oil state money being fundamentally wrong, and all you can do is wave a racist flag, then you are either a troll or dumber than my dog

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I said that ''some people might find it a tad racist''. I'm not saying it's racist myself, read posts properly before you respond, and cut out the personal abuse eh.

 

[Shotgunofmichalebrow]

Admin can you start carding up this weirdness. I get the tangential Jay Z stuff after that one lazy click bait story...but Links to obscure youtube channels! And the usual suspects on Apalacian rascism and the middle East.. Time to go Dermot Gallagher in psychology mode!

 

[McCOYS]

Oh dear, obviously comprehension isn't for everyone.

Here's the bit you missed or are ignoring;


This, obviously, implies that I'd be ok with someone from those countries who do not support them.

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Your origianal post that I responed too on the topic was ''The "worst" kind for me would be the Saudis/Qatar owners.''

You didn;t mention whether or not they had to be supporting any regimes.

 

[stevee]

Your origianal post that I responed too on the topic was ''The "worst" kind for me would be the Saudis/Qatar owners.''

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And then I clarified it immediately in the next post, my first reply to you.

3 posts on and you still either missed or deliberately ignored what I posted.
Even after I advised you to go back and read it again, and again.

You were so intent on having a "gotcha" moment you failed to read, or comprehend my very first reply to you.

And now *sigh* you can't even say "Oh, my bad, I missed that".

 

[McCOYS]

And then I clarified it immediately in the next post.

3 posts on and you still either missed or deliberately ignored what I posted.
Even after I advised you to go back and read it again, and again.

You were so intent on having a "gotcha" moment you failed to read, or comprehend my very first reply to you.

And now *sigh* you can't even say "Oh, my bad, I missed that".

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So you admit that the first post on the topic that i replied to was wrong?

I did read the other post you made in an attempot to rectify your stance.

So are you against a peaceful Saudi or Quatari owner?