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Cranston said:
Well, wage bill does appear to be the clearest indicator of success. Or, at the very least, chance of success. There are obvious examples of poor recruitment like UTD, but repeat winners are paying their players accordingly.

‘Pay the wages’ is not the simple answer. But it’s a universal principle across all forms of human endeavour. Consider it a foundation rather than an answer.

And Daniel rather likes his own wage. He doesn’t appear to favour market prudence when it comes to his own renumeration.
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I’d imagine that the teams that spend most on wages also are the teams who spend the most on transfers? And spend the most on their youth facilities and training?

So not only do we need to find the money for more wages, but for the new players etc too. And we seem to already be loss making.

Plus, we buy Osimhen and Kvara and pay each of them 250-300k per week. Do we then have a line of players at Levy’s door asking for an uplift too?

Looks to me that we need to close the massive revenue gap to the sides above us before we can splurge.

Saying all that as someone who is nowhere near an expert on this.
 
Kane you believe it said:
If thus data is accurate the surprising thing for me is that there isn't a rapid increase following the stadium opening in 2019.

We appear to remain on the same upward trend that had initiated prior to the new stadium.
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Upward trend?

The gradient at the end there is the steepest decline on the whole fucking graph and we're still a fucking hundred million behind the nearest team's wage bill.
 
AberdeenYid said:
I’d imagine that the teams that spend most on wages also are the teams who spend the most on transfers? And spend the most on their youth facilities and training?

So not only do we need to find the money for more wages, but for the new players etc too. And we seem to already be loss making.

Plus, we buy Osimhen and Kvara and pay each of them 250-300k per week. Do we then have a line of players at Levy’s door asking for an uplift too?

Looks to me that we need to close the massive revenue gap to the sides above us before we can splurge.

Saying all that as someone who is nowhere near an expert on this.
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At the upper echelons, I’m reasonably confident that football transfers and spending are simply one massive money laundering operation. If you look at Clearlake, I suspect they’re ploughing money into football players in the same way that Joe Lewis buys art. It legitimises the source of funds. And they clearly don’t give a shit about sporting penalties as there’s always an accounting trick on hand.

Then you have the likes of Juve and Barcelona, who are simply absurd and would be bankrupt in any other commercial sector.

Player wages are fucking absurd. Levy has absolutely zero interest in playing at that altitude. His risk tolerance is as close to zero as possible. He hedges both transfer fees and player wages against future success - if you achieve A then you get B.

Our competitors tend to say ‘Join us and we’ll give you B’.

Basically, we need to get taken over by crooks that like football and see the pursuit of success as worth losing money over and committing accounting fraud for.
 
Cranston said:
At the upper echelons, I’m reasonably confident that football transfers and spending are simply one massive money laundering operation. If you look at Clearlake, I suspect they’re ploughing money into football players in the same way that Joe Lewis buys art. It legitimises the source of funds. And they clearly don’t give a shit about sporting penalties as there’s always an accounting trick on hand.

Then you have the likes of Juve and Barcelona, who are simply absurd and would be bankrupt in any other commercial sector.

Player wages are fucking absurd. Levy has absolutely zero interest in playing at that altitude. His risk tolerance is as close to zero as possible. He hedges both transfer fees and player wages against future success - if you achieve A then you get B.

Our competitors tend to say ‘Join us and we’ll give you B’.

Basically, we need to get taken over by crooks that like football and see the pursuit of success as worth losing money over and committing accounting fraud for.
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Can’t disagree with any of that.

But we can’t expect our present owners to take the plunge at this stage as they’ve never done it before.
 
Cranston said:
Well, wage bill does appear to be the clearest indicator of success. Or, at the very least, chance of success. There are obvious examples of poor recruitment like UTD, but repeat winners are paying their players accordingly.

‘Pay the wages’ is not the simple answer. But it’s a universal principle across all forms of human endeavour. Consider it a foundation rather than an answer.

And Daniel rather likes his own wage. He doesn’t appear to favour market prudence when it comes to his own renumeration.
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That is fair - like, im not saying we should pay more wages - but the graph clearly represented - pre stadium, that we were doing so at a rate to play catch up? Our best players, who stayed the longest got a fair wedge and we did bring in some players on pretty decent sums too - the graph shows it.

Was anyone on here that is talking wages now, happy when that was happening? I seem to remember when we were massively increasing our wages, the conversation came back to transfer fees, now we are paying better transfer fees, the conversation is about wages.

Forgive me but the discussion seems to change to fit whatever the current trend shows and there doesnt seem to be much consistency in the issue - it just lurches from one complaint to the next grasping for a reason as to why we aren't giving people the vibes they want.

For instance - years of finishing in the top 4 and the argument was we don't win things - IF (we probably wont but if) we win a cup this season I feel the argument will be well we didn't finish in the top 4....
 
dudu said:
That is fair - like, im not saying we should pay more wages - but the graph clearly represented - pre stadium, that we were doing so at a rate to play catch up? Our best players, who stayed the longest got a fair wedge and we did bring in some players on pretty decent sums too - the graph shows it.

Was anyone on here that is talking wages now, happy when that was happening? I seem to remember when we were massively increasing our wages, the conversation came back to transfer fees, now we are paying better transfer fees, the conversation is about wages.

Forgive me but the discussion seems to change to fit whatever the current trend shows and there doesnt seem to be much consistency in the issue - it just lurches from one complaint to the next grasping for a reason as to why we aren't giving people the vibes they want.

For instance - years of finishing in the top 4 and the argument was we don't win things - IF (we probably wont but if) we win a cup this season I feel the argument will be well we didn't finish in the top 4....
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To get to the top, we need to spend more on transfers and more on wages at the same time. Or try a remarkably different strategy, which we have done with Ange and it’s not worked.

As for the cup over league position thing, I’d better not read that on here. It’s been years of “I just want a cup, I don’t care about top four” and “I’d 100% swap places with Leicester”, etc, I’ll go on the fucking rampage.
 
dudu said:
That is fair - like, im not saying we should pay more wages - but the graph clearly represented - pre stadium, that we were doing so at a rate to play catch up? Our best players, who stayed the longest got a fair wedge and we did bring in some players on pretty decent sums too - the graph shows it.

Was anyone on here that is talking wages now, happy when that was happening? I seem to remember when we were massively increasing our wages, the conversation came back to transfer fees, now we are paying better transfer fees, the conversation is about wages.

Forgive me but the discussion seems to change to fit whatever the current trend shows and there doesnt seem to be much consistency in the issue - it just lurches from one complaint to the next grasping for a reason as to why we aren't giving people the vibes they want.

For instance - years of finishing in the top 4 and the argument was we don't win things - IF (we probably wont but if) we win a cup this season I feel the argument will be well we didn't finish in the top 4....
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Better transfer fees compared to who exactly?

Wise up.
 
AberdeenYid said:
I’d imagine that the teams that spend most on wages also are the teams who spend the most on transfers? And spend the most on their youth facilities and training?

So not only do we need to find the money for more wages, but for the new players etc too. And we seem to already be loss making.

Plus, we buy Osimhen and Kvara and pay each of them 250-300k per week. Do we then have a line of players at Levy’s door asking for an uplift too?

Looks to me that we need to close the massive revenue gap to the sides above us before we can splurge.

Saying all that as someone who is nowhere near an expert on this.
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We're going to see big reductions in income from the poor performance of the team this season. But ENIC will just cut investment in the team as a consequence.
 
I'll just leave this here, adjusted for inflation 1992-2021.

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Pulled from this Reddit post.

I'd imagine we have some very large sales adjusted for inflation.

Even Solanke was because of a fucking clause in the contract and that was still peanuts compared to most other teams...who else was in for him again?
 
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