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ENIC In or ENIC Out

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Ed Vanderlay said:
I think Levy does deserve some credit yes , along with the players and a couple of managers . There was a period where everyone was pulling in the same direction , seems a long time ago now though.

Let’s be honest though when he took over we were in a bit of a mess , but nothing compared to Villa and even Leicester who under new ownership achieved more in a much shorter time frame. Look where Marinakis has taken Forest from in a fraction of the time.

So yes some credit goes to Levy, but the facts are at least 3 smaller clubs from far far worse starting positions achieved as much in less time
Leicester fell away post the owners death
Villa are yet to consolidate the way we did under the Poch era
Forest have not even confirmed top 4 yet

But from where those 3 were , to where they got in the time they did it our progression was pedestrian.

I am not sure Forest or Villa will sustain it as long as we did under Poch, in fact I’m confident they will not . The Villa and Forest owners are smart cookies though
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The difference is sustainability and also the starting point - the money teams like Forest/Villa get now is so much greater than what we did when we were trying to break into the top 4 I believe - TV deals are crazy now.

If Villa get 13 straight years in European competition then fair do's

Leicester didn't build anything lasting. They Won the league and fair fucking play but they will probably be back in the championship again next season
 
Hulk said:
Yep - walkouts at 25 mins every home game until the end of the season should but won't happen.
It’s the only way to bring enough attention to it and Levy would be squirming.
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You’ve said this won’t happen. And I agree with you. But why do you think it won’t?

I’d suggest you could say it’s maybe a logistical nightmare to achieve this and you’d be right. However, I really don’t think there’s enough of an appetite for change yet.

Granted, the Levy Out chants are getting louder, but when I see videos of this happening, very few people are actually singing. It’s weird as I’d think there should be more mouths moving because of the volume, but most fans are just sitting quietly. Can they not be arsed? Shit singing voices? Don’t care?

I’m pretty sure the appetite for change is extremely strong on here, but this does not seem to be reflected in the match going fanbase.
 
SpiderSpurs said:
Woah, ENIC created The Trust?? Like something from the Matrix?

Surely that's not right.
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Read the 'supporters groups' section of the wiki page.

Read in particular about the TISA which the Supporters Trust replaced; just after ENIC arrived. The club was a PLC at this point and TISA had small shareholders within their number. It was a collective bargaining strategy with a view to having an influence within the club.

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dudu said:
The difference is sustainability and also the starting point - the money teams like Forest/Villa get now is so much greater than what we did when we were trying to break into the top 4 I believe - TV deals are crazy now.

If Villa get 13 straight years in European competition then fair do's

Leicester didn't build anything lasting. They Won the league and fair fucking play but they will probably be back in the championship again next season
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Leeds and Liverpool dropped out through financial mismanagement, some on here( not me ) claim Levy is a financial genius . We certainly generate a lot of money so our decline is football side mismanagement, more akin to the Arse screwing up.
 
MiddxSpur said:
I don’t think you’re right about this. I’m a season ticket holder & in the ground I often get speaking to overseas visitors. To be clear I have no problem with that, I love that we have fans from all over, but the point I want to make is that they often tell me how much they’ve paid. Its mental, can be hundreds of pounds. The demand is huge.
But even if it wasnt, and lets say 20 000 season ticket holder didnt renew and the seats were left empty. ENIC wouldnt be encouraged to sell up, the loss of ticket sale income would pale into insignificance against selling their asset in a fire sale, instead they’d wait it out and look forward to less militant fans taking up the seats when performances improved.
Going to the games and chanting Enic out isnt going to work like magic, but it definitely not a waste of time, it’s got the media speaking about how badly Levy has been mis-managing the on pitch performance over a number of years, it is being heard by the club sponsors which could affect revenue and although everyone says Levy doesn’t care we remember how his wife (who knows him better than us) attempted to reassure him the other season when he was getting stick.
In good times he enjoys going to his super luxury lounge (it’s so much more than a private box) and entertaining his family, guests and business contacts. When everyone is chanting and holding him to account that experience is diminished. He may want to give the impression it doesn’t matter but it has to get him thinking about doing more to win a trophy.
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Spot on. Loud chants to voice anger at chronic failure trumps all.

Top sponsors dont want to associate with a loser or hyper corporate anti fan reputation.

It's been a problem for years with f1 teams. Poor performance soon leads to sponsor pressure. In case of fans, anything they do to flag our approach to footballing matters has impact
 
AberdeenYid said:
You’ve said this won’t happen. And I agree with you. But why do you think it won’t?

I’d suggest you could say it’s maybe a logistical nightmare to achieve this and you’d be right. However, I really don’t think there’s enough of an appetite for change yet.

Granted, the Levy Out chants are getting louder, but when I see videos of this happening, very few people are actually singing. It’s weird as I’d think there should be more mouths moving because of the volume, but most fans are just sitting quietly. Can they not be arsed? Shit singing voices? Don’t care?

I’m pretty sure the appetite for change is extremely strong on here, but this does not seem to be reflected in the match going fanbase.
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I think that this is the big crux. English football fans are not organised enough to pull off something like this.

When it happens in the Bundesliga/La Liga/Serie A etc, it has been organised and set up by a cadre of fan groups/ultras sections that operate likes clubs within their respective fandom. They have their own boards, leaders and such. This makes it easier for them to band together to set up long running protests.

I am sympathetic to ENIC out but it all seems to be just a multitude of loosely aligned unorganised cliqs rather than structured fan groups willing to take charge.
 
Valentines Day tomorrow, Mrs Levy on realising she has had one lousy card bought on the cheap from the Shell garage in 25 years


Come At Me Fight Club GIF by Tokyo Cowboys
 
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SpiderSpurs said:
You think an empty stadium will make Levy take notice?

Let's say every ST holder doesn't attend a game, while the stadium will mostly be empty, Levy has already had the money, so what's the point?

ST sells on the exchange, chances are whoever picks it up will spend in the shop and on manky sausage rolls and warm pre filled pints - Levy makes more money, so what's the point?

The sit in might not make much impact, however, it's a start and is better than the 20 blokes that used to stand outside the club shop.

From small acorns...
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It's been estimated the club bring in ±£1M in concessions revenue per match, so, yes, any noticeable drop in actual attendance will hit the club where it's noticed by the decision maker, Joe Lewis, which is in the accounts.

ST holders selling on the Exchange make no difference, because it's the same numbers thru the turnstiles. Plenty of ST holders buy those sausage rolls and pints, it's just the shop which may benefit from an Exhange buyer over the ST holder. Though, I can tell you that I've never been to the club shop but I know ST holders who buy loads of that shite. On average, more likely single ticket buyers go to the shop than ST I will concede.

I find the undercurrent of disdain for non-ST holders from many in the base rather ridiculous (and bordering on racist, often, in regards to the asian supporters Son attracts). Whether people like it or not, football has simply changed. It was packaged and sold 30+ years ago. Without the millions upon millions poured into the club by global markets and global supporters, Tottenham would be Fulham or West Ham at best. Sugar had it well on that way before ENIC arrived.

Levy is chairman and a minority owner - he doesn't have control over the capital at his disposal. Whether he agrees or not with the particular fashion in which the club utilizes its capital is, for now, a purely hypothetical debate. Lewis is the one who ultimately controls the allocation of capital at the club, how much is available for the football, etc. and he's not at matches or likely watching. All he cares about is definitely the revenue stream in-so-much as it informs the appreciation of the asset. Revenue slows, the club valuation stalls or recedes.

I hope the sit is is successful. I do very much doubt it's the most effective way.
 
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