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McCOYS said:
Sure but two clubs which had awful league seasons whilst winning a trophy all the same. In fact last season was a record for Spurs, the first team not to get relegated with 22 loses in 30 years of Premier League matches of 38.
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To put it another way Spurs won 11 League matches last season. Since the League changed to 38 games no team has gone down with 11 wins.

We also had a goal difference of only -1 and no team has gone down with anywhere near as good a GD as that either.

We also had the least amount of draws in the League. If we'd been able to field a team that was anywhere near full strength during December and January, we'd probably have turned a few of those losses into draws (or even wins), and finished higher up the table.

Last season was a complete freak in lots of ways, which is why I was so sanguine about the League position, and was happy to give Ange another year.
 
Like I said before, I'm almost certain he got rid of Ange not because of results in the league but because he openly stated we need to change our transfer strategy this summer by signing proven players and our strategy was a "mistake" last summer.

That's why I changed my stance to "anyone but Ange" to "only winners if Ange is out" (this is with me stating Thomas Frank was my number 1 choice when literally nobody wanted him initially).

Ange staying and us singing more kids would have been absolute conclusive evidence Levy is behind this sham and the manager has zero say but now we are left with numerous articles of Frank liking Phillips and other crap fed by the club.

We've signed a kid for 5m to probably replace Romero. I don't even rate Romero but fuck I can see the bullshit. Ange would have stayed if he was on board with more youngsters this summer.
 
Tomo said:
We are also a big club, not Liverpool or United size but but still very big. It shouldn’t surprise getting quarter of a million for a parade on a moments notice.

The 16/17 was the best football I have seen at this club bar none, it was outstanding, we beat the crap out of just about everyone that came to the lane that season. The trophy however had the bigger impact due to not winning something for so long, the humiliation, the ‘no trophies’ bollocks blow away, we can all try and pretend the laughter of other fans means little but that isn’t being honest. I would never want to see last season repeated, it was pure shit football wise but we got the monkey off our back so it was relief.
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Yes sure winning the trophy will stop the banter and the Spursy stuff.

I can understand that in the future when the trophy is being remembered, nobody will care about Pochettino's team, and they probably won't care that he had better players then, in the old stadium, than we had last season. They probably won't even care that Postecoglou was sacked the same season because the team in the Premier League was dogshit.

I understand all that very clearly about the future, but what I find bizarre is that people are doing that now.
 
Shadydan said:
Of course I'd start with Poch's team but If I had a choice between winning something than not I'd take winning something, isn't that what you would do?
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Yes I would, I agree with you there, but your response to my question says what I've been stating, the team has actually got worse since the new stadium was opened, we're now about 6 years into the project and the level of player we sign hasn't improved, So I'm just going to forget about the new stadium being a game changer and just put the comment down to Levy bullshit.
 
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McCOYS said:
Yes I would, I agree with you there, but your response to my question says what I've been stating, the team has actually got worse since the new stadium was opened, we're now about 6 years into the project and the level of player we sign hasn't improved, So I'm just going to forget about the new stadium being a game changer and just put the comment down to Levy bullshit.
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I think the real issue is that we are on our 5th full time manager and we've chopped and changed strategies since Poch left, everything else that's gone wrong is a by-product of the nonsense of what's happened at board level in terms of decision making.
 
walter said:
To put it another way Spurs won 11 League matches last season. Since the League changed to 38 games no team has gone down with 11 wins.

We also had a goal difference of only -1 and no team has gone down with anywhere near as good a GD as that either.

We also had the least amount of draws in the League. If we'd been able to field a team that was anywhere near full strength during December and January, we'd probably have turned a few of those losses into draws (or even wins), and finished higher up the table.

Last season was a complete freak in lots of ways, which is why I was so sanguine about the League position, and was happy to give Ange another year.
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Well done you've found a way to put a positive spin on a disaster.
 
McCOYS said:
The point is we were told the new stadium would be a game changer but if anything the level of players from last season compared to the ones we had in the final years of the old stadium has actually declined.
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Well you could say that two European finals in six seasons since we moved into stadium with one loss and one win is a game changer , it's the best performance since the seventies when we had two Euro finals in three seasons, depends on what peoples expectations are. Based on Spurs previous league history in the 1st division and Premier League my expectations are probably not as high as others .

PS Even losing a CL final ranks up there at the very top .
 
Tottenham Massive said:
:levywtf: 🗨️The four new wesidential towers will be the weal game changer and allow us to compete.....in the top half of the pwemier league
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Tottenham Massive said:
:levywtf: 🗨️The four new wesidential towers will be the weal game changer and allow us to compete.....in the top half of the pwemier league
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As ever, I'm not sure if you're a bit dense or choose to be ignorant.

The residential towers are a requirement for the stadium planning that are overdue. They will eventually replace the Love Lane flats (the ones on the site the club put in appeal about the future usage of) and are part of the local generation project from 2020.

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Shadydan said:
I think the real issue is that we are on our 5th full time manager and we've chopped and changed strategies since Poch left, everything else that's gone wrong is a by-product of the nonsense of what's happened at board level in terms of decision making.
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“To be one of the most successful clubs in Europe. The new stadium will be a game changer for us as it will create revenues that we can invest in the First Team and deliver success on the pitch – so that is a priority for us,”

Apart from Vicario, Solanke, Danso, and Werner, in the recent transfer windows the club has been targeting young players with potential. I don't see how that helps Spurs 'To be one of the most successful clubs in Europe.....as a priority for us''

Teams like Manchester United, Juventus, Liverpool, Real Madrid, the Milan clubs etc etc, are amongst the most successful teams in Europe I would think. We're nowhere near those teams when they were or still are at that level.

So we need to be more patient and wait for the young players with potential to blossom, fair enough, we'll have to wait but it's hardly the behaviour IMV that would constitute a ''priority''.

Maybe it's just me and I shouldn't have taken any notice when he was bigging up what the new stadium would mean for the club.
 
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Muckleflugga said:
PS Even losing a CL final ranks up there at the very top .
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The club didn't purchase any players by then due to the new stadium, because it didn't open until April 2019 when the transfer window was closed. So all those players that reached that CL final that you rightly state is up at the very top, were signed by the club during either the time at the old stadium or the time spent playing at Wembley So that achievement had nothing to do with the new stadium.

Thanks for your support on the matter.
 
McCOYS said:
“To be one of the most successful clubs in Europe. The new stadium will be a game changer for us as it will create revenues that we can invest in the First Team and deliver success on the pitch – so that is a priority for us,”

Apart from Vicario, Solanke, Danso, and Werner, in the recent transfer windows the club has been targeting young players with potential. I don't see how that helps Spurs 'To be one of the most successful clubs in Europe'.....as a priority for us''

Teams like Manchester United, Juventus, Liverpool, Real Madrid, the Milan clubs etc etc, are amongst the most successful teams in Europe I would think. We're nowhere near those teams when they were or still are at that level.

So we need to be more patient and wait for the young players with potential to blossom, fair enough, we'll have to wait but it's hardly the behaviour IMV that would constitute a ''Priority''.

Maybe it's just me and I shouldn't have taken any notice when he was bigging up what the new stadium would mean for the club.
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But we have spent more money since the stadium opened, as I said the issue isn't how much or even what, its the indisiceveness on what direction they want to take the club in with constant chopping and changing which as a result has had a knock on affect for everything else.
 
Shadydan said:
But we have spent more money since the stadium opened, as I said the issue isn't how much or even what, its the indisiceveness on what direction they want to take the club in with constant chopping and changing which as a result has had a knock on affect for everything else.
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So has every other club lol 😂

Transfer fees have increased exponentially over the last 6 years so every club is spending more and transfer records are being broken year on year.

Our issue is that as revenues have been increasing, the proportion invested in the football team has been decreasing .

As per the brutal, butchering of the wage bill which means we cannot attract the calibre of player to compete at the elite level that serial bullshitter Levy promised us.
 
McCOYS said:
The club didn't purchase any players by then due to the new stadium, because it didn't open until April 2019 when the transfer window was closed. So all those players that reached that CL final that you rightly state is up at the very top, were signed by the club during either the time at the old stadium or the time spent playing at Wembley So that achievement had nothing to do with the new stadium.

Thanks for your support on the matter.
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But getting a one goal lead against City in an atmosphere that the old place could never match was pretty decisive in getting us to that final.
Some performances in the stadium since then have not been great but sometimes tactics are at fault, home to AC Milan and Conte's negative approach springs to mind.
 
Shadydan said:
But we have spent more money since the stadium opened, as I said the issue isn't how much or even what, its the indisiceveness on what direction they want to take the club in with constant chopping and changing which as a result has had a knock on affect for everything else.
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I get your point but it's more relative prior to 2023 The players the club has signed in the past few transfer windows have most likely not been for any specific manager due to their age in most cases but for Lange's data points and within the constraints of the club's transfer budget that I assume is set by Levy.

I just don't see how all these youths with potential are going to help the team become one of the most successful teams in Europe anytime soon.

And yes the club has spent more money since the new stadium was opened but it seems recently, I mean since 2023 the club has been focused more on signing young players with potential. I just don't see how that translates into the claim that levy made. OK Johnson cost quite a bit for a youngster but he's not the sort of player that I'd expect to see in the starting line ups of any of the best teams in Europe.
 
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