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kcspurs said:
Makes it all the more incredible that we most recently finished in 17th place.

In French there's a phrase that means "When you're a fool, even gold turns to lead", it's apt for us.
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I think a big part of what makes DL risk-adverse is the data.

The more we spend (on players and in general) the shitter we get.

Man Utd are finding the same. Fans have the impression that it is the way forwards because of Chelsea doing it years ago, but it's like the high press - it's ineffective when everyone's doing it. Liverpool's strategy is not spending loads of money or offering big wages - it is seemingly just about strategy. Having a Curtis Jones or TAA isn't a shiny signing, but it means you don't need to spend £200m trying to find a decent right back.

Would we have been worse off just using KWP instead of signing Aurier, Royal, Doherty, and Porro. Could we have done something more sensible in more key areas. Kane is a one off, but he walked right in over £50m+ worth of Soldado, Janssen, Adebayor and Llorente.
 
Shadydan said:
The club has failed the players IMO, we sign good players but there's been no sign of coaching to improve them over the past few years since funnily enough Poch left, I made a long detailed post about this in another thread:

Player - Have Tottenham failed their players?

All this talk about our transfers and recruitment got me thinking. :gallashmm: There's been continued debates about our players and our recruitment over the years, it seems like the most common consensus is that our recruitment have been average to poor and our players just aren't good enough...
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Our recruitment wouldn't look half as bad if we actually stuck to a plan.
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I think there's some merit it what you say there about the likes of Bournemouth, Brighton or Brentford, improving the players they acquired with good coaching, but I assume for them they can't afford players like the top clubs so need to provide a lot of coaching to the players they can afford, to try and make them into the players that they couldn't otherwise afford.

Spurs with the new stadium were now supposed to be able to compete with the best team's in Europe, rather than spending smaller amounts on players like the teams mentioned above, and having to coach them to the required standard. But that seems exactly what the strategy has become, the club is bringing in young players who require development as it if we're a smaller club.

So if the club is now going to be like Brentford, Bournemouth or Brighton. it may as well have saved a shit load of money and just upgraded the old stadium.
 
McCOYS said:
I think there's some merit it what you say there about the likes of Bournemouth, Brighton or Brentford, improving the players they acquired with good coaching, but I assume for them they can't afford players like the top clubs so need to provide a lot of coaching to the players they can afford, to try and make them into the players that they couldn't otherwise afford.

Spurs with the new stadium were now supposed to be able to compete with the best team's in Europe, rather than spending smaller amounts on players like the teams mentioned above, and having to coach them to the required standard. But that seems exactly what the strategy has become, the club is bringing in young players who require development as if we're a smaller club.

So if the club is now going to be like Brentford, Bournemouth or Brighton. it may as well have saved a shit load of money and just upgraded the old stadium.

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Those 3 clubs were just examples, Liverpool, Woolwich and City are 3 clubs who also have a high level of coaching with their current manager as their players tend to improve year on year, the point is though that we haven't really stuck to a plan and have chopped and changed ever since the stadium has been opened - I believe that had we stuck to a philosophy then we'd be in a much better place than we are now.

Once again it's hard to pinpoint what the strategy is now, I dunno maybe they have cleared the decks in order to offer a load of pay-rises to players in the team whilst they grow, we did this before under Poch if you recall where a load of players got salary bumps and improved contracts based on performances, maybe you'll see it this season going forward, the players have to earn it mind you and they haven't done that over the past year or so.

General mismanagement whether it be financial, recruitment or personnel doesn't mean it was wrong to move stadium, the whole point of moving stadium was to give us more opportunities to speculate on spending more and give you room for more risk, moving stadiums was the right thing to do but the execution since has been poor.
 
Shadydan said:
The thing is they don't like it when people push back, they call it 'defending' the board - they want this place to be an echo chamber but as far as I recall this has always been a neutral thread and it will always be one.
They ought to start their own 'I hate ENIC' or 'Levy is a bald cunt' thread or something like that if that's the case but I absolutely guarantee you they won't because they'd have no-one to troll or bait and eventually get tired of their own voices, they'll all end up running back in here.
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Ha ha..This is class

You claim this thread is neutral and shouldn't be an echo chamber.....

Then in the very next sentence you say 'Levy Out' or fans who are critical of the board should start their own thread lol 😆


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Tottenham Massive said:
Context is plain and clear ya wally. It's exactly what you were saying.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot...

Ouch! 😆
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How has the general point gone over your head?

You should start your own thread as you want this place to be an echo chamber - that's literally the point 🤡

Anyway whilst you're here and seemingly you do read posts then, how comes you still haven't answered this, I've asked you twice now:

Shadydan said:
That one match happens to be pretty significant though don't you think?

That match was a difference in staying in a comp where we could realistically pick up a trophy, something that you continually used to criticise the club and the chairman for - I say used to because your narrative has somewhat shifted since May 21.

So what's more important now, trophies or top 4 finishes...?
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Or are you gonna do your famous John Thomas disappearing act again...let's see if you answer this time. :gallashmm:
 
Shadydan said:
How has the general point gone over your head?

You should start your own thread as you want this place to be an echo chamber - that's literally the point 🤡

Anyway whilst you're here and seemingly you do read posts then, how comes you still haven't answered this, I've asked you twice now:


Or are you gonna do your famous John Thomas disappearing act again...let's see if you answer this time. :gallashmm:
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You're general point was clear.

You said this thread should be neutral. Not an Echo chamber. Your exact words old boy.

Then you said those you oppose should start their own thread :roflmao:

Just admit you made a fool of yourself and move on, yeah. Be a man for once.


What's more important. Top 4 or trophies?

Considering we hadn't won one for 17 years a trophy was definitely more important to get that appaling monkey off our back.

A club of our size and wealth should be able to regularly achieve both though.
We most certainly shouldn't be finishing 4th bottom to facilitate winning a trophy. Totally unacceptable.
We're Tottenham Hotspur ffs. Not Leicester or Wigan

You need to raise your standards
 
AberdeenYid said:
When we were told the stadium was a game changer, I believed it. I thought it meant huge revenues and more money than ever being spent on the team.

Whilst that’s true to an extent, it’s certainly not lived up to the billing in my head at the time.

Got me thinking about other clubs that had any success in the years following a stadium move. Are there any? That lot along the road are just getting their shit together now and their hovel has been open almost 20 years. Did I underestimate how tough moving to a new stadium would be? Did Levy? Did we all?
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I think Everton need to be very careful.

Moyes should be good enough to keep them up but if their new owners get ahead of themselves and sack him for someone else I wouldn’t be surprised if they finally go down in the next three years.
 
Brian Fantana said:
I think Everton need to be very careful.

Moyes should be good enough to keep them up but if their new owners get ahead of themselves and sack him for someone else I wouldn’t be surprised if they finally go down in the next three years.
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I think they'll be OK and start to progress upwards. And new owners usually like to put their own mark on the gaffe so Moyes' days are probably numbered anyhow.
I have a couple of Everton mates and their more optimistic about their future than they have been for years.
 
Tottenham Massive said:
You're general point was clear.

You said this thread should be neutral. Not an Echo chamber. Your exact words old boy.

Then you said those you oppose should start their own thread :roflmao:

Just admit you made a fool of yourself and move on, yeah. Be a man for once.
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In that case you're too dumb to realise that the two points I made aren't mutually exclusive. 🤡

Tottenham Massive said:
What's more important. Top 4 or trophies?

Considering we hadn't won one for 17 years a trophy was definitely more important to get that appaling monkey off our back.

A club of our size and wealth should be able to regularly achieve both though.
We most certainly shouldn't be finishing 4th bottom to facilitate winning a trophy. Totally unacceptable.
We're Tottenham Hotspur ffs. Not Leicester or Wigan

You need to raise your standards
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Ah gotcha :thumbup:

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AberdeenYid said:
Got me thinking about other clubs that had any success in the years following a stadium move. Are there any? That lot along the road are just getting their shit together now and their hovel has been open almost 20 years. Did I underestimate how tough moving to a new stadium would be? Did Levy? Did we all?
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The combination of the historic high of quality in the team we had at the moment of leaving WHL with the collapse in the club's ability to do business properly made the competitive decline more substantial than any underlying financial reality.

The Levy handbrake was on before and after in terms of wages to turnover and the like, but the fact is in absolute terms we have spent a lot more money in the new stadium thanks to the enormous revenues it has generated, there's no reasonable case to be made that we're anything other than much better off for it.

If we hadn't suffered a catastrophic failure of institutional stewardship in the middle we'd have been better off still and had calmer waters, but alas.
 
Shadydan said:
Spurs fans feel the need to play their position on social media, we get punched down on by rival fans and the media so much that the fanbase has low self esteem therefore they project their insecurities back onto the club so everything gets twisted and painted into a negative and thus if the inevitable was to happen they are already in a position to accept fate.

No-one does self loathing and he need to constantly wallow in self pity like our fans, it's probably why you'll get called a 'happy clapper' if you dare to be slightly positive

It feels like a certain section of our fanbase – albeit a loud minority – are determined to be outraged at everything the club does. There's this constant negativity, almost like they're performing for an audience, treating every decision with maximum cynicism and acting like entitled critics of every move Spurs make.

What’s worse is some of them seem to embrace the "Spursy" label like it's a badge of honour — wearing it around their neck like some sort of war medal. It’s as if they've given up believing in the club entirely. Instead of supporting the team, they’d rather mock it or wallow in this self-inflicted misery. It's honestly baffling how some fans seem more committed to being miserable than hopeful.
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Buuurrrrrrppppppp
 
Shadydan said:
General mismanagement whether it be financial, recruitment or personnel doesn't mean it was wrong to move stadium, the whole point of moving stadium was to give us more opportunities to speculate on spending more and give you room for more risk, moving stadiums was the right thing to do but the execution since has been poor.
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My comment about the club could have just upgraded the old stadium instead of building a new one was related to; The club is mainly currently targeting young players with potential, It's the sort of thing that happened with the old stadium with the likes of Walker, Berbatov, Modric, Bale et al not that it;s a bad thing to seek great potential. So the stadium hasn't really helped to bring in any quality ready made players to compete with the best teams in Europe, rather the club has reverted to seeking young players with potential. As I say the team the few years before the old stadium closed was better than the team of last season. Levy has failed to make the new stadium a game changer. The club is back to square one.
 
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