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ENIC In or ENIC Out

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FightingIllini said:
If necessary, yes.

I do think it's in Levy's nature to constantly binge on capital expenditure (golf courses, hotels, go carts, etc) in a way that doesn't present nearly the favorable and certain ROI that the stadium did.

The stadium was a bigger challenge than it got credit for (look at United and Chelsea) and was a great success, and will be Levy's positive legacy at the club for decades beyond his lifetime. (If you need that "nuance" to pay attention, there it is. Levy delivered us a home we can be proud of for the whole 21st century and has my thanks and admiration for it.) That halo does not extend to an ever-growing real estate and fixed asset portfolio though, so I do think in that sense there is "extra money" around.

But regardless, I reject the characterization that investing some of the multibillion pound inflation in the club's value (that is flowing directly into ENIC's pocket in mark-to-market terms) back into the team to maintain parity with the business practices of EVERY OTHER CLUB is making an unreasonable or infeasible demand on the ownership.

We shouldn't be a distant last place on that chart. Period. "Self sustaining" is a propagandistic euphemism for a singular and unique hoarding of asset inflation by our owners relative to every one of our competitors. We are being made to fight with one arm tied behind our backs in order to further enrich Levy and Lewis' heirs.

And I'm sorry this triggers you so, but it's just reality, I have never seen a word of disagreement with the preceding paragraph from anyone who hasn't sunk DECADES of internet blather (or perhaps talk show blather in someone like Simon Jordan's case) into defending Daniel Levy against his critics. The people for whom pro-Levy posting has settled into the core of their identity are the only defenders out there. The hard, objective data is just too clear and too damning.
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Good quality post, sir

"Self Sustaining " = The FC Funded by the fans as the owners use the clubs name to expand in to non footballing ventures and prepare to make billions in a future sale.
 
Shadydan said:
Another signing potentially over the line much to your annoyance, you'll fuck off soon no doubt as per...

Haven't seen you in the transfer thread recently - very difficult to troll happy people isn't it? ;)
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I was posting in the transfer thread yesterday 😂

Since when has "signing players" or getting "transfers over the line"been some kind of remarkable achievement.

This place. It's absolutely brilliant
 
McCOYS said:
I don't mind anyone posting the same or similar thing over and over, I don't see any harm in it. I suppose you'd need to ask Admin if he thinks it's damaging the forum as a whole.

As for who benefits? I imagine posters who share those views enjoy reading those posts. Though I don't think a post has to necessarily have a benefit to someone. If the team had a crap game, and posters post ''that was crap'' and the players get low ratings on the ratings thread, who does that benefit? Is THFC going to read this forum's player rating thread and make alterations due to it?

There are other posters on the forum that seem to like arguing, lots of threads on different topics on the forum are filled with prolonged arguments, quite often slanging matches, Maybe that behaviour is damaging to the forum as a whole, as it's quite often disruptive and ends with posts being moved and posters sin binned.
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There's also an 'ignore' option.
If he doesn't like what I post, he doesn't have to read it and cry about it.
At the end of the day, it seems he just doesn't think people should be allowed to be critical of the owners 🤷‍♂️
 
Hats off to this lot

They won't be rushed and do it their way.

Criticism when it's necessary but praise where it's due.


Get Gibbs-White, whi I think is decent and a couple more, most definitely a striker, and we might (just might) start to have a competitive squad.

The one absolute is that it needs character.
 
I have no idea if we will get Kudus and MGW over the line , if we do would still like to see a LB and DM but this is a step in the right direction. It’s not a tiny step either , both will add something. I am not going to say well done just yet as it’s not done .
Hope there is not a sting in the tail on the sale side to balance the books , but things appear more positive today than they did 3-4 days ago .

Hopefully we shift some of the weakest links
 
McCOYS said:
Well I use the forum because I find it fun. If other posters want to criticise my opinions I don't care either. I don't mind a bit of thoughtful debate, it's a useful way of forming an opinion because parts of an opinion that have been successfully debated against can be altered making the opinion more formidable.

I suppose since this is the Levy/ENIC thread the 10-15 posters that you refer to are posters who want them out. Why won't you permit them (in what you have decided is reality) to post their views without wanting to engage in thoughtful debate? It's a fan's forum not a philosophical debating chamber. They're not actually doing anything wrong in sticking to their opinions, repeatedly posting similar comments, because they feel disgruntled with the current owners of the club.

It seems to me (in what I've decided is reality) that 5-10 posters on here including yourself, are here to debate and try to win arguments. You've seen the poll numbers at the top of the thread, and you want to have it out with the posters in that majority. The thing is, even if you win an argument, it doesn't necessarily mean that you were right, it could just mean that you were better at arguing. There is merit to posters to simply post what they want about Levy within the forum rules, as often as they like, without needing to engage in meaningful debate. They may well care about things other than their own opinions, perhaps they don't enjoy debate. Maybe they think the debates just go around and around with the two sided having to agree to disagree, or it just ends up being a slanging match.

There's no need to feel that you need to call out every opinion or statement that you think is wrong, or to think that posters have a requirement to debate your challenge over something they posted.
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Hear Hear

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Shadydan said:
Ohh ark at her 😆

I don't know who you speak for anyway, I've legit seen people say the only reason we went for Kudus as he was cheaper than Eze, it's always some stupid caveat with these clowns...if you're trying to align yourself with them then that's on you.
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Trouble is Mr Shady nobody on here can really take anything you post seriously !! Being the contrarian that you are you're likely to say something completely different in a weeks time or maybe disappear for a month like you've done twice before
 
dudu said:
Its all very confusing.

Im just pretty sure that there are about 5-10 posters on here who say the same thing pretty much every single time they post and so yeah, its clear they don't care about anything other than their own opinions and have no desire to engage in a thoughtful debate or discussion about anything outside of what they have decided is reality.

as to our second point, i agree -
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I think those 5-10 posters you refer to respect your stance on mass debating Dudu.

I for one regard you as one of the most prolific mass debaters on the forum.

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Archie said:
Trouble is Mr Shady nobody on here can really take anything you post seriously !! Being the contrarian that you are you're likely to say something completely different in a weeks time or maybe disappear for a month like you've done twice before
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When you say no-one here you mean you and your ilk of sad little toerags who are unable to accept any counter argument to your constant hysterical claims about the board?

Meanwhile I'm here very content right now and so should you be, it looks like the board is finally showing some ambition you've been craving so enough over obsessing about me for a change and be happy for once, it looks like we are finally building a team you've desired.

My chairman 💪
 
Tottenham Massive said:
There's also an 'ignore' option.
If he doesn't like what I post, he doesn't have to read it and cry about it.
At the end of the day, it seems he just doesn't think people should be allowed to be critical of the owners 🤷‍♂️
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On the contrary, I enjoy reading lots of debates about the owners - when the posters (on both sides) make an effort to understand what they are talking about, engage in genuine back and forth conversation, accept counter-points made by those that think differently, etc - those conversations can be both interesting and informative. That does not apply to anything that you post, as yours are always over-simplications with no attempt to understand the underlying detail and no intention of genuinely discussing.

The difference is clear - most posters who are anti-ENIC do actually have Spurs at the core of their beliefs - you do not, you post primarily because you hate ENIC & Levy, not because you are a Spurs fan. You would rather Spurs fail than ENIC succeed, that's where you differ from 99% of fans, including those who are firmly ENIC-out.

PS I've never ignored anyone on here and hopefully never will. For me it's important to listen to those who disagree with me, and try to understand where they are coming from, recognise what agendas they are pushing etc, otherwise I'll never learn anything. If that means I have to wade through posts from the madman with his fingers in his ears shouting the same thing day after day, so be it. I don't have to like it, I can just call it out for what it is (whilst respecting those who have a genuine properly-thought-out grudge against the owners). :)
 
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scarletjim said:
Again, I've 'liked' that post because I agree with your sentiment and most of what you say.

But I do think there is a big difference between the scenario you are suggesting there, and the JT style of posting. When we lose a game and play badly, it's understandable that people 'let off steam' - the difference is, those same people might well be positive when we win and play well, and they might add interesting opinions or useful content on other topics at other times. That's not the case with JT - it's 'ENIC and Levy are evil' on every thread, every day, never anything else.

I agree to a great extent with your point about arguing, with many people on this forum (irrespective of their like or dislike of Levy) seemingly unable to accept any argument that contradicts or challenges their own, and yes that is disruptive, but at least in most cases they do seem to start out with some kind of attempt to discuss (albeit often only to defend their view, with no intention of learning, developing or adapting - indeed some of the most prolific posters on here, whilst posting some good stuff from time to time, are utterly incapable of saying 'hmmm ok I see your point' - but that's symptomatic of most people generally isn't it?) I'm not saying that's ok or a good thing, but at least it does involve some kind of genuine back & forth conversation, with new points being raised - JT's posts don't, they have no substance and no willingness to debate, they are the RL equivalent of a madman running around in the street with his fingers in his ears shouting the same few phrases into people's faces for hours on end, day after day.
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So you don't like JT being on this forum because he posts similar anti-Levy posts too often, and doesn't want to have back and forth discussion about them.

Why would he want to get into a discussion with someone who describes him as a madman running about with his fingers in his ears shouting at people?

I mean I could say in RL you're like a madman angerly following JT about shouting at him ''why won't you debate?'' But that wouldn't benefit anyone either.
 
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