There's a good boy.
Now carry on, cunt.
I'll let you know when you can stop.
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Now carry on, cunt.
I'll let you know when you can stop.
£115mil in 24 hours. Credit where it's due.
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Regarding the bottom paragraph of your post, I can't be bothered to categorise the elements in your posts into what I agree or disagree with. It's pure laziness on my part. I've simply replied to the parts that I found more relative to the discussion.With respect, I think you are confusing the chronology / correlation - I've only described him like that very recently, after many, many years of him posting in the same way. Anyway it's not just me, he doesn't get into a proper discussion with anyone.
As I said, it's just my opinion, he posts the way he does, I criticise it, you criticise me for criticising it, and around we go, which is fine. I'm just not sure what he's trying to do any more, but of course he doesn't have to answer that.
It's interesting to me that I've agreed with a huge amount of what you've said in our exchanges, yet you've agreed with nothing that I've said, not sure what to take from that - hopefully you're not just another one of those posters. Apologies if you're not, it might just be a coincidence that in this particular exchange you can't find any common ground with me.
So now the top part where you said you only recently decided to describe him that way, as recent as that may be, it's not going to help if you're hoping for him to change his posting style into more discussion. If anything you're giving him good reason not to.
I haven't meant to criticise you, rather I think somehow JT's posts have gotten under your skin because he often choses to remind the forum of his opinions but declines to debate them.
What is it that you actually want to happen? I assume if you message Admin about it he'll advise you to use the ignore function. My guess is what you posted about JT being a madman in real life etc, is more likely a breach of the forum rules than JT frequently posting similar posts about Levy and declining to discuss them.
JT replies to my posts occasionally but I'm not up or down whether he choses to or not but I don't have any in-depth discussions about anything with him. There's plenty of other posters to turn to if you want that.
My brother, I sincerely can't make heads or tails of what you're on about.
Data can be deceiving, sure. Spurs need investment, have built the infrastructure to support that investment, and (at least until yesterday!) have been withering on the vine for want of that investment as more ambitious and aggressive clubs (validated by said data) zoom by us.
Because they have no operational control of the club and they aren't making the decisions?
That's a very strange complaint.
So tragic that we're on alert for news of something left-field because we're acting like a normal club that has genuine ambition. lol
About time too
No problem - I like to find common ground with people, and say so, where I can, as I find it helps us all to understand each other better and even get on better, but that's just me, it's totally your prerogative to not do that of course.
I definitely didn't say or even imply that JT is a madman in real life, in fact if you look at our exchanges yesterday I said that he might be a nice bloke in real life and I wish him no harm, or something to that effect (if I didn't quite say that, I'm happy to say it now) - I was just likening his behaviour on here to a madman in RL - very different.
What do I want to happen? Hmmm, well what do any of us get out of posting and reading on here? Obviously in an ideal I would like JT to develop his arguments over time, make them relevant, stop with all the lies and hyperbole, just stick to the criticisms that are real and valid (and there are plenty of them...), and engage in discussion about them. But I don't expect any of that to happen, he's too far gone, it's just what I would like. So why do I bother to criticise his posts? Well, because I don't think it's a bad thing to call out posters who are not making any effort to add anything to the forum, deliberately just stirring for the sake of stirring, particularly those who are consumed by and obsessed with something greater than their love for Spurs. And I maintain that this place would be much better without his posts. I'm sure you disagree with me on much of that, but you asked me what I want, and the above is some kind of answer I guess.
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I'm partly not surprised, based on the arguments being made, but it is very simple.
You (and a few others) are very bothered and critical about "the wage to revenue rate". There are two problems with this:
- "The wage bill" is simply a sum total. It doesn't demonstrate how well players are paid. It only demonstrates how much is spent. A £100m wage bill is the represented the same, regardless of whether it covers 20 players or 100. Thus, it demonstrates nothing of relevance with regard to "competitive wages" or "ambition".
- When compared to revenue, it means absolutely nothing. Aston Villa have pretty much the same wage bill as we do, but the "% of revenue" is more than double for them (~96%). They don't pay players any better, but are top of that list.
Why is it a strange complaint? If we both bought a car together, and I owned 15% of it, would you feel that it is fair for you to pay for the fuel, maintenance and repairs, on the basis that you were the one driving it and I'm just a passenger?
The argument made very often on this thread is that Levy/ENIC are "just in it for the profit" (of which, so far, there hasn't been any). What does that mean for the other 14%? What altruistic purpose does their ownership have? They are riding on the coattails of the investments and efforts of the past 25 years.
The conversation is always about ENIC selling part of their 86% to put money into the club, but why wouldn't the argument be for some entity to buy the other 14% and then put some money in?
Sure but you only know him from on here I assume? If so, likening his behaviour on here to a madman's behaviour in real life, is the same as saying from what you know of him he behaves like a madman. Which is, or as near as damn it, you stating that he's a madman.
It also seems to mean if someone who joins this forum, abides by the rules, but doesn't stay in line with your neurotypical idea of forum behaviour, even if they do have undisclosed psychiatric problems, you feel it appropriate to refer to their behaviour on here, as that of a madman in real life.
We are just buying players a club of our level should be. Fuck me we have been conditioned by Levy to think spending money on improving the team is somehow a novel approach to running a football club.
I mean, they're all European football clubs, whose squads are of roughly the same size?
You are flopping around all over the place here mate.
Is anyone arguing against that?
The desperate flopsweat to change the subject from the obvious and comprehensive apples-to-apples data provided by an objective third party is obvious and telling.
That needs to change.
Maybe today is the beginning of it changing!
"Neurotypical idea of forum behaviour" - erm, I'm severely autistic (SAADS score of 116 vs threashold of 66, for those who know about such things), as I've discussed with several posters on here in the past both in PMs and in some public threads on this forum - so that's an odd thing for me to hear.
Honestly mate if you seriously think that describing someone's forum behaviour as that of a madman is the same as saying he's a madman in real life then I'm not sure what tell you. Pretty much everyone behaves very differently on internet forums to how they behave in RL, in fact I've spoken to many people on this forum who actually behave different in PMs than they do in the public conversations here, nevermind real life. But if that's your main conclusion to our conversation - that I'm in the wrong for using the throwaway term 'madman' - then so be it. I hope that both you and JT have pleasant evening.
I think these sorts of moves are what we have obviously been building towards since we began rebuilding the squad when Paratichi came in. Nothings 'going on' imv
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I mean, they're all European football clubs, whose squads are of roughly the same size?
You are flopping around all over the place here mate.
Is anyone arguing against that?
The desperate flopsweat to change the subject from the obvious and comprehensive apples-to-apples data provided by an objective third party is obvious and telling.
That needs to change.
Maybe today is the beginning of it changing!
It will change - as some people have pointed out, we've undertaken a squad rebuild focusing on younger/less well known players while getting rid of our higher paid squad filler - this has given us headroom to make the sorts of signings we appear to now be making. Woolwich went through a similar thing when they gutted the squad post-Emery - it's all part of a process.
Well you certainly came across as intolerant of someone else's behaviour, and it now seems even odder that you criticise someone for not engaging with others in discussion."Neurotypical idea of forum behaviour" - erm, I'm severely autistic (SAADS score of 116 vs threashold of 66, for those who know about such things), as I've discussed with several posters on here in the past both in PMs and in some public threads on this forum - so that's an odd thing for me to hear.
I'm on the Autism spectrum too, are you sure you didn't mean RAADS not SAADS?