Absolutely. Been dealing with this for years elsewhere too.
They always pull this "not even worth responding" cowardice whenever they run out of arguments.
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Absolutely. Been dealing with this for years elsewhere too.
They always pull this "not even worth responding" cowardice whenever they run out of arguments.
Except they're very obviously not "happy" with the top 4 trophy because 2nd isn't 4th and they were within a game of winning it the season before last, and very clearly are trying to fix their issues in the market to make up that gap, which is exactly what all of us were crying for under Poch.
We were doing NOTHING to get over the line back then. We had a whole window of signing nobody. You guys are such fucking gaslighters pretending that our issues were the results and not the lack of urgency or ambition to capitalise on the incredible squad we had.
What?
It was the fact we had an incredible squad which meant that we didn't invest. Whether that was a right or wrong decision, it was because we had the something like 2nd-youngest squad in the league, having just gotten the highest GD, and Poch said we didn't need anyone just for the sake of it. This window also took place while the stadium was literally rising over N17.
No-one's trying to gaslight you about ENIC not investing, but it's not like it was due to complete apathy.
Whereas they are in the exact same position (better in fact, we never finished 2nd back to back) with a relatively young squad but are spending 200m+ to push up to first rather than second .. which is all we ever wanted back when we were very good under Poch.
It was a great time to be a fan, but the owners were content with it. The fans wanted that extra player or two to win a league title.
Feels like you've misread or misunderstood my post. I wasn't giving an opinion, just an observation that context changes sentiment... that the patch of grass we're standing on never seems to be the greenest.
FWIW, I was firmly in favour of keeping Poch; and I agree with all the points you made.
Yes I agree. They spent two seasons being 8th, a season being 5th, and then 3 seasons being 2nd under their current manager. If we were in the same position as they are I would agree with you.
But we're not. We're back looking to break into the Top 4, and we have to be realistic about who we can get in that position. We're back to where Woolwich were back in 2020, when they were picking up Willian on a free, Gabriel for 25m and their big marquee signing was Thomas Partey for just under 50m.
You really, truly don't think the owners wanted to win the league title?
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Well for one thing I think being satisfied is antithetical to a sporting mentality and moving the goalposts higher after every success is the way big things are achieved. So there's that.
I think it's pretty easy to answer your question though. If we hit against our PSR ceiling, and that became a constraint on our operations, then one could still complain about mistakes or lack of success, but it would be a very different conversation.
If we were up against the PSR ceiling you could not reasonably say "the club's competitive ambitions are subordinate to its financial and commercial ambitions". That is ultimately the charge against Daniel Levy and even in slavishly defending him across decades and volumes of text, his defenders (and even his own words) are constantly admitting his guilt on that charge.
But for the past two seasons, they have been happy with a top 4 trophy because they’ve tried to win the title without a proper 9 or a proper 6. Right?
Also, take Liverpool last season. Finished third in 23/24. It’s not strictly true to say they didn’t sign anyone because they’ve signed Chiesa for 12m. But damn they basically signed no one and won the league the following year.
Success = What you think is important + things you’re ignoring
You are massively overvaluing the first part of the equation and ignoring the second. It’s a well known bias that even academics ignore because of a bias towards finding coherent, causal narratives.
The evidence is right there if you look for it.
So the top 4 competition is your target because we are no way near winning the PL or CL. Cups are a stepping stone but I got more joy out of winning the Europa than ending up in a runner up position in the league thus qualifying for CL that we are not good enough to win.
No I would not consider 2nd and a CL semi as a good year, it is failure. I remember winning years only, 2008 & 2025 would be better. It is better than say 5th & quarter final. However what it would do is give me more hope that we may do better the following season and win either of those competitions. Hope, that I do not have at present.
I do not want the next trophy to be in 17 years as I doubt I will be around to see it.
You're right, we're nowhere near winning the PL or CL right now, but what gets us closer to those things is by securing regular Top 4. It's been that way for 20 years, and under Poch it almost paid off.
We have to climb that mountain again, or else we're back to finishing low in the table, hoping for a lesser cup run, like Crystal Palace and West Ham. That's a bit unambitious, for me.
I like us playing on Tuesday and Wednesday nights, with all the world watching. Aim high, echoes of glory, and all that.
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The words of Poch.
“If we are capable to win the Premier League and the Champions League it is a moment you say the team has improved and reached the next level,” he said.
“Until that, win the FA Cup or the League Cup, it will be fantastic for our fans but is not going to move the club to a different level.
“I want to play to win the Premier League and Champions League. It is my vision, I want to play to win the Premier League, I want to win the Champions League.
“If we are capable to win the Premier League and the Champions League it is a moment you say the team has improved and reached the next level,” he said.
“Until that, win the FA Cup or the League Cup, it will be fantastic for our fans but is not going to move the club to a different level.
“I want to play to win the Premier League and Champions League. It is my vision, I want to play to win the Premier League, I want to win the Champions League.
He got as close as anyone will under this owner, god bless him.
Ginola won a league cup
Posters on here (A Tottenham forum) are dismissing our EL trophy and celebrating the signings that Woolwich are making??
What the fuck?
What the fuck?
Bullshit and bluster from the bottler.
The charge is a nonsensical false dichotomy.
In reality the financial and commercial ambitions have improved our ability to compete. We are increasing the denominator and have done so very effectively to give us the most consistent period of high performance over 15 years.
And you didn’t answer the question at all but I won’t persist. The desire for constant improvement does nothing to address the complaints against the owners. If that were sufficient then everyone should always want their owners out.
Your attitude smacks of someone who has never had to manage a budget before.
No, you just don't like my answer. Which is fine. I don't like your attitude about it either.
Posters on here (A Tottenham forum) are dismissing our EL trophy and celebrating the signings that Woolwich are making??
What the fuck?
Nobody has done either you absolute clownshoe
Yes they have.
You're one of the biggest culprits. Twat.
Look, your troll mask falls more each and every day - more and more posters have begun to see through your bullshit.
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