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ENIC In or ENIC Out

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MemphisWill said:
The idea that we've been "taken back to the 90's as a football club" is a gross overstatement.

Our finishes in the 90s: 10th, 15th, 8th, 15th, 7th, 8th, 10th, 14th, 11th

As I've detailed at length before, this period under ENIC has been the 2nd most consistently successful 25 year period in the club's history. The difference between the ENIC Era and 1960-85 is really just that we've bottled finals and 2 league title chases.
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In a 25 year period then no, its not the 90s. In the last 6 years i'd say its very similar to the 90s and i was one of the poor buggers that sat through most of that. Last 6 seasons 17th, 5th, 8th, 4th, 7th, 6th. Cup defeats to Sheff Utd, Middlesbrough, Colchester, Norwich, Zagreb. This season will be more of the same i'm afraid. Any good work that was done under ENIC has long gone. They took their eyes off the football side and the games moved on. They had/have no plan outside PSR having teeth and its been shown to be next to useless for those that are prepared to game the system.
 
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Sir Archibald Crooks said:
In a 25 year period then no, its not the 90s. In the last 6 years i'd say its very similar to the 90s and i was one of the poor buggers that sat through most of that. Last 6 seasons 17th, 5th, 8th, 4th, 7th, 6th. Cup defeats to Sheff Utd, Middlesbrough, Colchester, Norwich, Zagreb. Any good work that was done under ENIC has long gone. They took their eyes off the football side and the games moved on. They had/have no plan outside PSR having teeth and its been shown to be next to useless for those that are prepared to game the system.
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I think they though us having more income commercially would be a game changer not really thinking everyone else will also have more money and be better at spending it, scouting and attracting players than we are.

So we’re really just spinning our wheels.
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
In a 25 year period then no, its not the 90s. In the last 6 years i'd say its very similar to the 90s and i was one of the poor buggers that sat through most of that. Last 6 seasons 17th, 5th, 8th, 4th, 7th, 6th. Cup defeats to Sheff Utd, Middlesbrough, Colchester, Norwich, Zagreb. This season will be more of the same i'm afraid. Any good work that was done under ENIC has long gone. They took their eyes off the football side and the games moved on. They had/have no plan outside PSR having teeth and its been shown to be next to useless for those that are prepared to game the system.
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Yanno, except for the fact that we never finished 5th, 4th, or 6th in the 90s. So 1/2 of the past 6 seasons were significantly better than the 90s.
 
Nobody3 said:
There's no way Daniel Levy is walking away from THFC. This has been his project/baby for 25 years, the hotel is next and he is seeing it all come to fruition. Plus there's the small matter of being the highest paid chairman (6m+) in the league and at 63 when you have a job like he has why would you chuck it in and start over again?

There is a fair argument that he could step back from the football side of things, but ultimately its him who signs off the cheques and he has shareholders to keep happy and the books to balance. The accountant in him will never allow either to be questioned/criticised. This and the reported fact, the man is a control freak who will never allow anyone else to have the final say on how he looks after his baby.
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He isn't paid 6m
 
MemphisWill said:
Yanno, except for the fact that we never finished 5th, 4th, or 6th in the 90s. So 1/2 of the past 6 seasons were significantly better than the 90s.
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Still produced the worst league finish since 1977. In terms of the football played or quality of signings there really wasnt much difference. For Nuno read Gross, for Mourinho read Graham. Lets hope Frank isnt Gerry Francis. Apart from that 3 months under Conte and 1 night last season, the last 6 years have been fucking dreadful. I see no sign its going to get much better.
 
Son Spurs said:
Marinakis has absolutely pulled levy’s pants down here. ENIC look like mugs.
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That Fattynakis did not.. giving that Obese Gyros cuntard credit... its GIMP-White whose tha fooktard here total wankshaft bastard, he was never committed in coming, only a jizztard stays at forest n extends, who will 100% be relegation fodder next season, be so funny if tuchel doesnt pick him for the squad, he will be 30 for next WC after, i want one our players too end his season with a 2 footer when we burn Forest next season
 
MemphisWill said:
Yanno, except for the fact that we never finished 5th, 4th, or 6th in the 90s. So 1/2 of the past 6 seasons were significantly better than the 90s.
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Tottenham Points Behind the PL Title Winner

1994-95 - 27
1995-96 - 21
1996-97 - 29
1997-98 - 34
1998-99 - 32
99-2000 - 38
2000-01 - 31
2001-02 - 37
2002-03 - 33
2003-04 - 45
2004-05 - 43
2005-06 - 26
2006-07 - 29
2007-08 - 41
2008-09 - 39
2009-10 - 16
2010-11 - 18
2011-12 - 20
2012-13 - 17
2013-14 - 17
2014-15 - 23
2015-16 - 11
2016-17 - 7
2017-18 - 23
2018-19 - 27
2019-20 - 40
2020-21 - 24
2021-22 - 22
2022-23 - 29
2023-24 - 25
2024-25 - 46

Been wanting to put those numbers together for awhile, that is a very strong and very important correction to the constantly overstated "ENIC has dramatically lifted the club from where it was in the 90's". So much of that is just the strength of the correlation between revenue and points getting much stronger.

We massively surged from 2005-2017 and immediately collapsed back to a distance from the best in England as big if not bigger than the Sugar years.

That would be visualized even more strongly as a graph if anyone is handy like that.
 
FightingIllini said:
Tottenham Points Behind the PL Title Winner

1994-95 - 27
1995-96 - 21
1996-97 - 29
1997-98 - 34
1998-99 - 32
99-2000 - 38
2000-01 - 31
2001-02 - 37
2002-03 - 33
2003-04 - 45
2004-05 - 43
2005-06 - 26
2006-07 - 29
2007-08 - 41
2008-09 - 39
2009-10 - 16
2010-11 - 18
2011-12 - 20
2012-13 - 17
2013-14 - 17
2014-15 - 23
2015-16 - 11
2016-17 - 7
2017-18 - 23
2018-19 - 27
2019-20 - 40
2020-21 - 24
2021-22 - 22
2022-23 - 29
2023-24 - 25
2024-25 - 46

Been wanting to put those numbers together for awhile, that is a very strong and very important correction to the constantly overstated "ENIC has dramatically lifted the club from where it was in the 90's". So much of that is just the strength of the correlation between revenue and points getting much stronger.

We massively surged from 2005-2017 and immediately collapsed back to a distance from the best in England as big if not bigger than the Sugar years.

That would be visualized even more strongly as a graph if anyone is handy like that.
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Nice way of seeing the real impact of ENIC at Spurs.

Other than one lucky strike with Poch and Kane coming through the academy, they have never got us any closer to winning the Prem. Nearly 30 years of really going nowhere but the odd Top 4 trophy to give the impression of progress.

Time to go.
 
The longer Levy procrastinates in making huge changes to the squad, the more was his sacking of Ange having chances of back firing. Frank's ball hasn't been too revolutionary (too early I know) , so if Levy is keeping most of the squad from last season, riding the wave of euphoria from our EL victory into the new season could well be more beneficial under Ange. Our businesses should have been done by now ready for the tour in all honesty if we are getting ready for Frank's era. And I'm not even considering the aim to win the PL and CL yet.
 
FightingIllini said:
Tottenham Points Behind the PL Title Winner

1994-95 - 27
1995-96 - 21
1996-97 - 29
1997-98 - 34
1998-99 - 32
99-2000 - 38
2000-01 - 31
2001-02 - 37
2002-03 - 33
2003-04 - 45
2004-05 - 43
2005-06 - 26
2006-07 - 29
2007-08 - 41
2008-09 - 39
2009-10 - 16
2010-11 - 18
2011-12 - 20
2012-13 - 17
2013-14 - 17
2014-15 - 23
2015-16 - 11
2016-17 - 7
2017-18 - 23
2018-19 - 27
2019-20 - 40
2020-21 - 24
2021-22 - 22
2022-23 - 29
2023-24 - 25
2024-25 - 46

Been wanting to put those numbers together for awhile, that is a very strong and very important correction to the constantly overstated "ENIC has dramatically lifted the club from where it was in the 90's". So much of that is just the strength of the correlation between revenue and points getting much stronger.

We massively surged from 2005-2017 and immediately collapsed back to a distance from the best in England as big if not bigger than the Sugar years.

That would be visualized even more strongly as a graph if anyone is handy like that.
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A graph would, indeed, tell a better story.




Aside from 2 abberant seasons - 2019-2020 (largely a product of Liverpool winning the title with 99 points - 18 points clear of City in 2nd) and 2024-25 where the mistake of hiring a manager completely out of his depth was show up; even our recent dip in form from Peak-Poch is a level above where we were in the 90s.

I, too, want us to win trophies. But its ridiculous to assert that ENIC/Levy have not successfully guided Spurs to a higher level than any time since Scholar arrived.



For the record, Standard Deviation from the league mean would be a much, much more appropriate analysis. I'll leave that to you because I have a latte to go pick up.
 
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