I get the point here but when I say rotate a front 4 of say
Bergwijn Dele Moura
Vinicius
Really isn't a weak lineup at all?
We'll have Lo Celso back too
I think we underestimate the strength of our B team , we should have enough
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Bergwijn Dele Moura
Vinicius
Really isn't a weak lineup at all?
We'll have Lo Celso back too
I think we underestimate the strength of our B team , we should have enough
are they prevented from meeting each other until later in draw, or all open from now?
Open draw now.
Would have Rangers, Shakhtar, Olympiakos, Kiev and Granada all up one group, from where you have them.
The only real outsiders are Zagreb, Young Boys and Molde, but Young Boys pitch could be issue (as it was when we played them 10 years back or so) with Slavia being next best for us to face, but of them only Molde could we probably rest a reasonable proportion of our better players, and still expect to go through.
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Our only hope of CL this, and a trophy to boot too. Don’t have hope we will win it, but it’s do or die in this competition
So you disagree that Milan looked like utter cowshit today? You obviously didn't watch the match and you probably looked at the Series A league table and said oh they are 2nd in an inferior league so that must mean they look better than Spurs. We were winning comfortably against United even before the red card. Sad you have to downplay our performance that day just to help it fit your agenda. The fact that Milan barely scraped past a team today that we pounced on in the Champions League last year is a lot more indicative of their current form in the Europa League than your large brush stroke attempt to paint Milan as a superior team.
It just dawned on me how much sense you are talking
We've only beat 2 teams currently in the top 10 Leeds and Man City and both of those teams were outside the top 10 when we beat them
I'm pretty sure there's some stat where we haven't beaten a team than when we played them they were sitting in the top 10 so far or something like that
If we draw any of the half decent teams (so 50% of them) that are probably as good as quality as the PL top 10 how can we beat them with the likes of Dier and Sanchez at CB. If we had a good CB i'd rate our chances but nah
Yes but I also hope we don't just give up the league
at least try get 6th/7th in the league to have something to fall back on.
Totally agree. In attack, we are a match for anyone. Our utter dog shit defence is what will ruin any hope of a trophy. I honestly think Sanchez and Dier are the worse centre back pairing in the league.
Winning comfortably?
It was 2-1.
And yes I watched large parts of the Milan game today they were not nearly as bad as you are trying to paint it and certainly not bad enough to ignore their whole season.
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I doubt West Brom fans who have conceded more than double the goals we have would agree with you there. The poor ability of Dier, Sanchez, Rodon and Alderweireld in our eyes, are all effected by how much more defending they are actually having to do. It is a numbers game, invite more pressure, make more mistakes.
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To avoid: United, Woolwich, Milan, Roma, Ajax, Villarreal, Shakhtar and Rangers.
Good: Molde, Granada, Olympiakos, Zagreb, Kiyv, Young Boys and Slavia Prague.
1 - Basically, it's a 50-50 scenario. But I'd say we should beat any team from the second group, while we shouldn't really be afraid of anyone in the first - United
being the worst possible draw, of course.
2 - However, all teams in the first group are capable of hurting us. And it's still early in this competition (seven more games to play), so big matches are really not welcomed at this stage - Woolwich or Milan, for example.
3 - Apart from Woolwich, it doesn't really make sense to be happy or unhappy with teams getting eliminated. It's all about the next draw. If we are lucky, the rest of the big teams will be fighting against each other.
"Hope for the best, expect the worst".
Good: Molde, Granada, Olympiakos, Zagreb, Kiyv, Young Boys and Slavia Prague.
1 - Basically, it's a 50-50 scenario. But I'd say we should beat any team from the second group, while we shouldn't really be afraid of anyone in the first - United
being the worst possible draw, of course.
2 - However, all teams in the first group are capable of hurting us. And it's still early in this competition (seven more games to play), so big matches are really not welcomed at this stage - Woolwich or Milan, for example.
3 - Apart from Woolwich, it doesn't really make sense to be happy or unhappy with teams getting eliminated. It's all about the next draw. If we are lucky, the rest of the big teams will be fighting against each other.
"Hope for the best, expect the worst".
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Lot to be said for drawing a UK side and avoiding the Covid travel issues - but then we would be playing one of the favourites, the betting right now is Utd, Spurs, Woolwich top three.
Molde are far and away the lowest rankled team left in, then you have Young Boys, Dinamo Zagreb, Slavia Prague, Dynamo Kiev, Olympiakos, Granada .... draw any of them and we would be strong favourites ...
You then have Shakhtar, Rangers, Vilarreal, Roma, AC Milan, Ajax with the exception of Rangers, who have the SPL sewn up already, all those other sides just like us have been playing weakened teams, it will depend very much on how heavily teams are willing to commit to the EL ....
Pretty sure Mourinho will be playing the full first eleven now - will everyone else?
Molde are far and away the lowest rankled team left in, then you have Young Boys, Dinamo Zagreb, Slavia Prague, Dynamo Kiev, Olympiakos, Granada .... draw any of them and we would be strong favourites ...
You then have Shakhtar, Rangers, Vilarreal, Roma, AC Milan, Ajax with the exception of Rangers, who have the SPL sewn up already, all those other sides just like us have been playing weakened teams, it will depend very much on how heavily teams are willing to commit to the EL ....
Pretty sure Mourinho will be playing the full first eleven now - will everyone else?
Look at PL table
Aside from Man City and most other teams would be happy to have conceded as few goals as Spurs
Depends on the draw what players we play .... and also what matches coming up in PL
With 12 subs allowed on bench and 5 subs, we do not need to start our best 11 as we can change later, key thing is to start with players appropriate for the tie so we are strong enough
I look at the premier league table and I see 9th mate.
it’s not as simple as that mate. It’s the manner of goals we concede and the affect it has on the gsme. Say we go through 6 games only conceding 1 goal a game, but that goal is always a defensive mistake that leads to a loss. In your logic, our defence isn’t that bad, as it’s only conceded 1 goal, but it’s that horrendous defending that’s dropped us points. We have dropped so many points this season because of clowns in defence and the horror show they perform every week.
You decided not to look at goals conceded as it proved your comment was wrong
Look again at goals conceded versus other teams
And spare me the long 'explanation' to cover up your original incorrect comment
You could argue that our "tragic" defence conceding just one horrible mistake per game would be OK if our "inspiring" attack always scored two .... Utd's tragic defence has conceded 20% more goals than us but still they are now second 13 points ahead.
It's a team game, just blaming the defence ignores the fact that at times the outfield has left them horribly exposed, if Son had stopped the cross or Hugo hadn't dropped the ball Dier would never have been caught out of position, it's still poor defending but plenty of blame to go around.
Brings back bad memories of when I went there to see us losing 3-0 after 30 mins in 2010.
CL campaign almost ended before it started.