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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane

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NW1Spur said:
But you're not a professional footballer. You need ligaments for those. An average person can live without various ligaments and go about their daily business but not a professional football player.
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You can. But you shorten your career. Look at Ledley King who played without cartiledge and ligaments in his knees towards the end.

The goalkeeper in the team I follow up in Sweden played for three years without ligaments in his left knee before calling it quits.
 
NW1Spur said:
But you're not a professional footballer. You need ligaments for those. An average person can live without various ligaments and go about their daily business but not a professional football player.
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I'm an ex-pro. I played with both of my ankle ligaments fucked, just as MANY do even today (Kane & Bale are living proof of this). There is little to no lateral movement in the ankle which is the biggest reason why you can still play, also many (not all as is personal preference will strap up their ankles).

Knee ligaments are a completely different story, however, and when I did my knee that was the end for me. The is a huge load put through the knee and the nature of football with a lot of lateral movement is needed, also just the act of kicking and jumping (mainly landing) you need all of your knee ligaments, this is why players have ligament replacement surgery and guess where they get the replacement tendon from for this op to take place???..... Yep, the ankle is an option. There is a big debate about the best donner part to use as some surgeons will advocate for the patella tendon but that's a whole new debate.
 
Guido said:
I'm an ex-pro. I played with both of my ankle ligaments fucked, just as MANY do even today (Kane & Bale are living proof of this). There is little to no lateral movement in the ankle wish is the biggest reason why you can still play, also many (not all as is personal preference will strap up their ankles).

Knee ligaments are a completely different story, however, and when I did my knee that was the end for me. The is a huge load put through the knee and the nature of football with a lot of lateral movement is needed, also just the act of kicking and jumping (mainly landing) you need all of your knee ligaments, this is why players have ligament replacement surgery and guess where they get the replacement tendon from for this op to take place???..... Yep, the ankle is an option. There is a big debate about the best donner part to use as some surgeons will advocate for the patella tendon but that's a whole new debate.
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My understanding of all Kane's previous injuries are that they were grade 1 and 2 strains and all them healed up and are intact.
 
NW1Spur said:
My understanding of all Kane's previous injuries are that they were grade 1 and 2 strains and all them healed up and are intact.
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Which is what I'm saying, you CAN play with fucked ankle ligaments you do not need them (but obviously better to have them than not). Some players will strap-up others play without any strapping.

I have no idea about the severity of his strains or tears he has suffered previously, I don't think there has been any confirmation of this. My understanding is after stretching a ligament that this still doesn't heal, that's to say they still don't heal and go back to what they once were, once stretched they remain stretched (but as I said this bit I might have wrong) but I've always been told that even a stretched ligament will now be weaker and the player runs the risk of turning over an ankle as a direct result. (It's common that a player with a stretched ligament also has torn ligaments, I'd make a guess that this is more often than not the case).
 
Whether he can play on no ligaments or not isn't really the main point. The issue is he's clearly got an issue with his ankles and we need to be finding someone that can come in and play when he is out. Seems as if missing 10 games a year is going to be the normal for him.
 
Think Kane finally getting a rest may be for the best for him longer term, always rushes back from injuries and hasn’t had a summer off for a long time. Only potential issue is trying to rush him back for the Champions League Final.
 
AlabamaSpur said:
Whether he can play on no ligaments or not isn't really the main point. The issue is he's clearly got an issue with his ankles and we need to be finding someone that can come in and play when he is out. Seems as if missing 10 games a year is going to be the normal for him.
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Despite evidence seeming to be to the contrary, I don't think he has an issue with his ankles, I think he has an issue with his willingness to stick his legs in where they're going to get mangled. I've watched through my fingers at the slow-mo replays of his injuries (the last 3 anyway) and they all seem like ankle-breakers that no one would walk away from. He's been deliberately stomped a few times (like last night by Delph, who could have pulled out, but no, he's a cunt and I fucking love Rose for eye-gouging him) and although you could argue he's a bit too brave for his own good, it's not accurate to imply his ankles are weak.

If one of the previous posts is right about them only being minor ligament stretches previously then he might even be back before the end of the season (as last night's didn't seem as bad as others, but will definitely have bruising).
 
Oracle said:
Think Kane finally getting a rest may be for the best for him longer term, always rushes back from injuries and hasn’t had a summer off for a long time. Only potential issue is trying to rush him back for the Champions League Final.
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In that case I hope he misses the bullshit Nations League and gets a proper rest

Wouldn'ttbe surprised if Klopp or Pep issue orders to have him injured during training or something - 1882 1882
 
superstaryid said:
Think Guardiola ordered a hatchet job on Kane , not saying he wanted his season ended but he definitely told his players to kick the shit out of Kane and will be delighted Kane won't be playing them in either of our upcoming games against city he's a ruthless little cunt.
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This is agree with. It was obvious they targeted Harry and the order came from Guardiola. For that alone if I was Poch I would have gone to Guardiola at the final whistle and told him he was fucking out of order and that he can go fuck himself.
 
superstaryid said:
Think Guardiola ordered a hatchet job on Kane , not saying he wanted his season ended but he definitely told his players to kick the shit out of Kane and will be delighted Kane won't be playing them in either of our upcoming games against city he's a ruthless little cunt.
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He’s a sort of nice quiet Neil Warnock

Some people say that sort of thing doesn’t go on but it fucking does and always has done

Eg Pele getting hacked to pieces against Portugal in 66

But Nobby fucked them up in the semifinals

Happy days
 
Guido said:
He can only damage ligaments that are still attached to the bone. His previous ligament damage means that he has NO ligaments to be injured, ligaments do not repair themselves like muscle tissue, once they have been snapped that's it, they are gone for good (there is a surgery that can take ligaments from somewhere else in your body and those can be fused into place, which of course Kane hasn't had this). In addition to a snapped ligament they can also get stretched, I don't know if these shorten back over time, but my understanding is they don't.

So, he might have sustained new damage to his ligaments that remain by either stretching those or snapping those. In this case, he will almost certainly be out for the rest of the season.

However, you are right in that he could be back because you can't damage ligaments that you haven't got left to damage. Remember Bale, he would roll his ankle over to almost 90 degrees and be back playing after a couple of weeks, this was because he had no ligaments left to injure.

All guesswork of course as it isn't known just how badly he injured his ankle previously. This is a weak point now for his entire career, it's not a major thing other than losing precious game time.
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Totally agree. Yeah I wasn't sure and couldn't be bothered looking up what he'd previously done to his left ankle (I believe it was his right one that he injured earlier this season). Anyway yeah hope it's just some swelling to go down.
 
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