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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane

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So we can take the second point to nicely explain some of his form these past few months, and the first one shows that only when we were forced to did we try to do without Kane.

I mean, you're still wrong, but at least your argument defeats itself.

Are you saying that Kane needs half a year to make up for missing one weeks training?

He’s been training three or four times a week since August. Weird you think he shouldn’t be fit yet rather than just accept his physical state has deteriorated

Which is a stupid way to look at it since Harry Kane hasn't scored less than 17 goal a season in the past 7 years. Once again the entire basis for your argument comes from this one highly abnormal season.

Nope, if you had read the last 700 pages you’d know I’m of the opinion he has been declining over the last 3 years despite good numbers against crap

No, the team has improved since our tactics have switched to encourage others to join in rather than look to Kane as our only outlet. Imagine how much better our position would look if Son had put away either of the two chances Harry laid on a plate for him against Liverpool and Spam. Imagine if Dele wasn't 2 years off sharpness and had put away his own chance, or had squared the ball properly.

You do know football is a team game, right?
Hahahahaha

Yes, I know it’s a team…..remember you’re the one who doesn’t care about our excellent record without Kane.
Because this team doesn’t matter to you without him in it, you just said as much.

The team hasn’t had to rely on Kane as the record you don’t care about proves.

The tactical nonsense that is Harry Kane ball being abandoned is why the team is improving. Glad you can see it.

The thing you need to realise though is that without Harry Kane Ball, there’s no need for Kane to play
 
Kane is great but football is team sports and Spurs could have used him in better ways. Media and other teams don't want Spurs to win but want to see and keep seeing the England captain Harry Kanes team doing no more than what it's been doing.

Kane is a great player yet a victim of his own success. Kane could've had more goals and more assists and probably a title or two had we not had to run the Harry Kane team where everyone was firing and freely passing around to win games not to be used to make "the Harry Kane"
 
We scored 7 goals in those CL games. Not too bad considering they were quarters and semis in the bloody champions league.

We also conceded 7 but its not like Kane is going to stop those goals scored against us. And not being able to dominate these teams is because our CMs were Sissoko and Winks. You cant dominate teams with these two regardless of who your striker is.

Then why bring it up as a point against Kane?
 
Kane is great but football is team sports and Spurs could have used him in better ways. Media and other teams don't want Spurs to win but want to see and keep seeing the England captain Harry Kanes team doing no more than what it's been doing.

Kane is a great player yet a victim of his own success. Kane could've had more goals and more assists and probably a title or two had we not had to run the Harry Kane team where everyone was firing and freely passing around to win games not to be used to make "the Harry Kane"

All top strikers are selfish, and generally shoot on sight. How many times did you see prime Torres and Batistuta (I could give loads more examples) pass the ball when near the goal? We built our team around Kane because for years he was our best player. It made total sense to.
 
Are you saying that Kane needs half a year to make up for missing one weeks training?

Who knows? It sure doesn't change the fact he's a top class striker who has hit a run of poor form.

He’s been training three or four times a week since August. Weird you think he shouldn’t be fit yet rather than just accept his physical state has deteriorated

Weird you keep making shit up because you can't accept that reality doesn't back up your assertions. Funny how this physically decrepit fossil managed to win the Golden Boot only 6 months ago and had a great showing at Euro 2020, isn't it?

Nope, if you had read the last 700 pages you’d know I’m of the opinion he has been declining over the last 3 years despite good numbers against crap

Sure I read that. I just also read the dozens of people pointing out that the team's tactics were the problem not the quality of the league's top goalscorer and assister.

But as we have established, you were never interested in actual discussion over the past 700 pages, you only wanted to hear yourself drown out all the people who can explain why you were wrong.

Yes, I know it’s a team

Then shut the fuck up and stop blaming our best player for team failures. Simple innit.

…..remember you’re the one who doesn’t care about our excellent record without Kane.

Because it doesn't prove anything except that when Kane was rested or unavailable against lesser sides we still did okay. None of that is an indication that Kane is crap.

Because this team doesn’t matter to you without him in it, you just said as much

No I didn't. You're just making shit up again. 😆

The team hasn’t had to rely on Kane as the record you don’t care about proves.

Then how come the team hasn't won anything without him either? Oh look, your logic doesn't make sense again.

The tactical nonsense that is Harry Kane ball

Which wasn't his fault or choice, but instead a decision made by the people who replaced Poch and got rid of Poch's tactics...

being abandoned is why the team is improving. Glad you can see it.

Yeah. We're going back to the way Poch played us. We just need to find someone as good as Eriksen...

The thing you need to realise though is that without Harry Kane Ball, there’s no need for Kane to play

That's the stupidest fucking thing I think I've ever heard. 😆

Yes, let's get rid of a top, arguably world class striker because we've finally got a coach again who doesn't rely on one player!

This why you get put on ignore, mate.

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The Sammy School of Football Tactics -- Rule #1:

If your team does not revolve around only one striker, then strikers are not needed, and you would be better off without one.

Move over, Cruyff, there's a new genius in town!

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Really anyone know why Kane has to play in every game in all the leagues? He's literally the only player playing in every single game and not even getting subbed. We really cannot rotate any of our forwards and give Kane some extra rest days? Is there an unwritten rule that mandates that a striker has to play and can only be subbed by another striker? I just don't get it. It's just a sad state of affairs running his body in to the ground year after year. We're concenrned about it but just maybe his body can handle them just fine who knows. Does anyone think that maybe it's Kane that wants to play in every single game?
You'd be forgiven for wondering if no manager is allowed to bench/hook him.

Other than that, I wonder if part of the reason we hired Conte was to improve Kane's form because we've decided we want to sell him.
 
Who knows? It sure doesn't change the fact he's a top class striker who has hit a run of poor form.
Yeah, a 5 months run on the back of a steady 3 year decline.
A lot of this is due to his immobility and decline in strength and general fitness
Weird you keep making shit up because you can't accept that reality doesn't back up your assertions. Funny how this physically decrepit fossil managed to win the Golden Boot only 6 months ago and had a great showing at Euro 2020, isn't it?
He didn’t have a great showing at the Euros he was atrocious in the groups and final, and non existent until his goal against Germany.

What’s with the fascination about lying about Kane’s levels?

No I didn't. You're just making shit up again. 😆
If you don’t care about results with Kane then you don’t care
Simple as that, how can I have made up what you posted
Then how come the team hasn't won anything without him either? Oh look, your logic doesn't make sense again.
We haven’t played a final without him.
Kind of difficult to win a final without Kane when Kane is playing in it.

Probably have a CL under our belt if we had dropped him though.
Which wasn't his fault or choice, but instead a decision made by the people who replaced Poch and got rid of Poch's tactics.
Irrelevant who’s fault it was. If a race driver isn’t very good, and his car isn’t very good, he’s still not very good at driving

Yeah. We're going back to the way Poch played us. We just need to find someone as good as Eriksen...

And a striker who can outscore Hojberg


That's the stupidest fucking thing I think I've ever heard. 😆

Yes, let's get rid of a top, arguably world class striker because we've finally got a coach again who doesn't rely on one player!

This why you get put on ignore, mate.

Hmmmm no, the coach not relying on Kane to score goals makes Kane redundant, hence the fact he’s the only player who isn’t improving under Conte bar Ndombele who doesn’t play

There are other players who can make more than one assist in half a season so no need to play him deep either
 
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Harry Kane was a great player and still is a great player but was just a kid and still is lol

The devil is Levy. He harnessed and used him for profit not for victories
 
Yeah, a 5 months run on the back of a steady 3 year decline.

No. A 5 month run on the back of being the most prolific player in the league. Funny how you keep ignoring that little detail because it debunks your narrative...

A lot of this is due to his immobility and decline in strength and general fitness

Which somehow didn't stop him scoring more goals than anyone else, providing more assists than anyone else, leading his team to an international final and filling his boots in qualifiers to have the most prolific calendar year in the entire history of the England national team.

Funny how you can't respond to these details which not only debunk your narrative but make it look like the stupidest thing you could possibly say, isn't it?

He didn’t have a great showing at the Euros

Yes he did. He scored 4 goals in the knockout stages. You're wrong.

What’s with the fascination about lying about Kane’s levels?

You tell me. You're the one who keeps doing so.

If you don’t care about results with Kane then you don’t care

...about your argument, because it's absurd. 😆

Simple as that, how can I have made up what you posted

Because you're lying about what I said and the context in which i said it. Sorry, were these meant to be hard questions?

We haven’t played a final without him.

Why do you think that is? Could it possibly be that every single coach we've had has recognized that having one of the best strikers in world football on the pitch is a good idea, even though Sammy's School of Football says that strikers are useless if you're not going to make them your only avenue of attack?

Probably have a CL under our belt if we had dropped him though.

Ah yes, the Utter Speculation method of predicting football results. For the record I don't think Kane should have started that game and would have been better used as an impact sub, but the idea that we would simply have beaten Liverpool after their early penalty without him is just horseshit.

Irrelevant who’s fault it was

No, and now I'm genuinely disgusted with your dishonesty. You have spent 700 pages whining about how it's all Kane's fault we have not won a trophy, and yet now that you're confronted with a clear answer about why he was used the way he was you want to pretend it's 'irrelevant'.

Grow some balls and just admit that yet another of your claims is nothing more than biased, obsessed nonsense.

. If a race driver isn’t very good, and his car isn’t very good, he’s still not very good at driving

So blame the driver, i.e the coach, not the Ferrrari who scored more goals than anyone else and assisted more goals than anyone else.

And a striker who can outscore Hojber

Kane can. In fact he can outscore anyone else in the league with regularity.

Hmmmm no, the coach not relying on Kane makes Kane redundant, hence the fact he’s the only player who isn’t improving under Conte bar Ndombele who doesn’t play

Who says he isn't improving? He just scored against one of the best teams in Europe, laid a golden chance in two consecutive games for Son, and if Dele's passing has been a smidge better he could well have scored a hattrick.

As I explained in the other thread, the problem here is that you vastly overrate your own powers of analysis, and while you think you're dropping pearls of footballing insight you're actually just farting out bad take after bad take.
 
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Strikers are needed.
Good ones

Not sure what you’re going on about.

I'm going on about your laughable suggestion that just because we're no longer playing One Man Team tactics, that somehow the best striker in the league is not needed.

Your grasp of the subject and its surroundings seems to be on par with that of a retarded giraffe in the middle of the Arctic.
 
No. A 5 month run on the back of being the most prolific player in the league. Funny how you keep ignoring that little detail because it debunks your narrative...
No my narrative is that Kane has declined despite good numbers against crap teams

Haven’t ignored a thing
Which somehow didn't stop him scoring more goals than anyone else, providing more assists than anyone else, leading his team to an international final and filling his boots in qualifiers to have the most prolific calendar year in the entire history of the England national team.

Funny how you can't respond to these details which not only debunk your narrative but make it look like the stupidest thing you could possibly say, isn't it?
i have responded.
He can’t do it against the best teams on a regular basis, but scoring against LASK and Brighton doesn’t require him to be at the levels he was at five years ago

Yes he did. He scored 4 goals in the knockout stages. You're wrong.
And he was atrocious in the groups and final
Because you're lying about what I said and the context in which i said it. Sorry, were these meant to be hard questions?
You posted “who cares” that we do well without Kane.
Why do you think that is? Could it possibly be that every single coach we've had has recognized that having one of the best strikers in world football on the pitch is a good idea, even though Sammy's School of Football says that strikers are useless if you're not going to make them your only avenue of attack?
We lost them all

So blame the driver, i.e the coach, not the Ferrrari who scored more goals than anyone else and assisted more goals than anyone else.
Kane is the driver
No, and now I'm genuinely disgusted with your dishonesty. You have spent 700 pages whining about how it's all Kane's fault we have not won a trophy, and yet now that you're confronted with a clear answer about why he was used the way he was you want to pretend it's 'irrelevant'.

Grow some balls and just admit that yet another of your claims is nothing more than biased, obsessed nonsense.

Kane isn’t very good in the biggest games
Hard to win when the star man is a bottle job

Kane can. In fact he can outscore anyone else in the league with regularity.

Scholes was good once, let’s sign him

Who says he isn't improving?
His goal tally
 
I was a bit disappointed Kane didn’t get subbed off last night

I don’t think a few less minutes will do him any harm in terms freshness but mainly he was having a poor game

Would like to have seen bergy and son up top, see what effect genuine pace would’ve had

Mentally it might have given him a little nudge also
 
No my narrative is that Kane has declined despite good numbers against crap teams

And your evidence is nonexistent, considering that he spent last season outscoring literally everyone else in the league, and had the most prolific calendar year in thr history of the English national team. Your only argument is that he has not scored enough against the 'big teams', which is explained very easily by the tactics we've employed and the relative depth of our squad compared to such teams.

Funny how you never get around to dealing with these little details which debunk your narrative, isn't it?

Haven’t ignored a thing

You've ignored the enormous wealth of detail which makes your narrative look biased, simplistic and wrong. So the majority of the past 700 pages.

He can’t do it against the best teams on a regular basis, but scoring against LASK and Brighton doesn’t require him to be at the levels he was at five years ago

Playing in a different system with players who are not as good as 5 years ago tends to have that effect, but hey, you go right ahead and tell us how crap he is for winning that Golden Boot.

And he was atrocious in the groups and final

No, he was adequate in thr groups, seeing as we won, and in the final Southgate made us play like wet cabbage to try and cling to a lead. Funny how you'd rather focus on the team's failure than Kane's personal accomplishment of scoring 4 goals in the knockouts to get us to that final...

Almost as if you're biased and want to push a narrative...

You posted “who cares” that we do well without Kane.

Because it doesn't matter to the question of how good he is. Ding!


Then blame the tactics and squad depth rather than the best striker in the land.


No, the coach is the driver.

Kane isn’t very good in the biggest games

Despite the fact he just scored against Liverpool and gave Son a gilt-edged chance, just 4 days ago...

Hard to win when the star man is a bottle job

Hard to win when the star man can be contained by world class defenses since he's our only threat. But nice to see you employing the nonsense terms that all our Gooner and Chav mates use.

Scholes was good once, let’s sign hi

Scholes didn't win the Golden Boot only 6 months ago.

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If his form wasn't improving he wouldn't have scored against a good team and offered two golden assist opportunities across 4 days of play, would he?

No, no he would not.
 
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Dont think you followed. We scored 7 goals in the CL without Kane in very big games. So its not like we were scoring goals just because he was rested againt bad opposition. Even against the very best ones we've been fine without him in attack.

Well no, not really. Again, against Ajax we relied on a Moura miracle after being outplayed across two legs.

It's not like we were dominating them, or City for that matter. We got through on sheer determination.

None of this matters to the question of how good Kane is. It just shows that under Poch we were a formidable team.
 
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And your evidence is nonexistent,
Not if you watched him five years ago but you seem new
You've ignored the enormous wealth of detail which makes your narrative look biased, simplistic and wrong. So the majority of the past 700 pages.

It is biased. I’m biased to the badge, and as the badge has proven since 2016, we can win regularly without Kane.

But you don’t care about the clubs record without Kane




Playing in a different system with players who are not as good as 5 years ago tends to have that effect, but hey, you go right ahead and tell us how crap he is for winning that Golden Boot.
Didn’t say he was crap for winning the golden boot I said he won it by scoring against crap but can’t do it regularly or perform well against the best teams anymore

No, he was adequate in thr groups, seeing as we won, and in the final Southgate made us play like wet cabbage to try and cling to a lead. Funny how you'd rather focus on the team's failure that Kane's personal accomplishment of scoring 4 goals in try knockouts to get us to that final...
That’s the fifth manager you’ve blamed for Kane’s failures

Because it doesn't matter to the question of how good he is. Ding!
The question wasn’t about how good he is, it was about how good we are without him.

But you don’t see the club, you see Kane in everything

Then blame the tactics and squad depth rather than the best striker in the land.
No it’s difficult for tactics to work when your target man is a bottler

No, the coach is the driver.
It was my analogy and Kane is the driver.

Despite the fact he just scored against Liverpool and gave Son a gilt-edged chance, just 4 days ago...

Yeah despite that, Kane isn’t very good against the biggest teams anymore

Just like Dele isnt, and Winks isn’t but they played well the other day
Hard to win when the star man can be contained by world class defenses since he's our only threat. But nice to see you employing the nonsense terms that all our Gooner and Chav mates use.

He’s not our only threat as proven by the record you dont care about

Scholes didn't win the Golden Boot only 6 months ago.

And Kane will never win it again
 
I just want to remind everyone that Sammy's golden solution to our problems runs along the lines of:

Now that we're not playing with Kane as our only focal point, the fact that he's the best striker in the league doesn't matter and we don't need him.

Someone needs to send Conte the memo...
 
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