i understand both sides of the argument, a player scores for his employer and his team so he should be able to celebrate and go all out but when its against a club where he felt loved, appreciated and the fans were behind him its a bit silly and disrespectful to antagonise them. Why create a toxic atmosphere when it can easily be avoided
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Son used to destroy Hamburg every time he played against them with Leverkusen. Hopefully he continues in that vein.
Would you not be at all annoyed had say Nacer Chadli celebrated his goal against us the other day. I think thats the way it should be but only if the player does generally feel appreciation towards his former club etc.
Not really. He plays for West Brom, they pay his wages. Why would he not celebrate scoring for his new employer?
Because it's disrespectful.
You're celebrating the misery of people who use to love you.
It's like getting married and having the wedding reception outside your ex's house.
If Chadli loved us so much/if we loved him so much, why has he left/been allowed to leave? He was here three years, only one of those was succesful. Chadli has moved on, so have we. No need for this hypocritical no cheering stuff. It's only justified when players have been at the club for many years, were real top-players and fan favourites. Chadli was a squad player.
perhaps he'd like to think he was a fan favourite and a real top-player.
No it's not.
It's like playing for the work football team one year, leaving the job because they no longer wanted you, going into another job who's football team also happen to play in the same league, scoring for the new employers and celebrating. Which makes sense.
Football goes beyond simply a job. It becomes a form of paid worship.
He was allowed to leave as he wanted to play regularily to regain his international place and Poch could not guarantee that. It will be the same with Wimmer unless he gets more game time.
Well this is something our manager has to manage otherwise how are we ever going to have a squad.
Agreed, its a load of bollocks.
I imagine there are some on here who wouldnt cheer a goal against Man United if Poch left us to manage them as a sign of "respect".
I know, but we have had countless of those kind of players throughout the years. Are they all going to refuse to cheer? Gets a bit boring, and complicated because players move all the time nowadays. Imagine Townsend scoring a goal, he can't even cheer half of the time because he could well be scoring against one of the eleven clubs he used to play for, lol. Absolute legends not celebrating... fair enough. Squad players not cheering... where does it end? Where do you even draw the line? And is it okay to refuse to cheer the first time you score, but do cheer a year later if you score again against the same team? Lol, it's all bullshit, just cheer.
Why does the quality of a player, or his status within the squad determine whether or not he would celebrate? Clearly Chadli has fond memories of his time at Spurs and is still on good terms with the other players at the club, so after scoring he respectfully didn't go mad screaming and celebrating. Just because he isn't a hero / legend in our eyes it doesn't mean he has no love for the club.
If he loved the club so much, he wouldn't have left after just three years. Instead he would be scoring against West Brom for us, not the other way round. Chadli did a job for us, fair enough, but he has moved on. Chadli just costed us points, yet not cheering makes things okay? Stop this hypocritical not cheering stuff.
Fuck me. I said he had had love for the club, I didn't say he was willing to give up his entire career to ensure he stayed forever.
I didn't say not cheering makes dropping points ok, I'm saying that it is nice to see a former player has respect for the club rather than going out, cunting us off in the press the running the length of the pitch to wind up the fans after scoring.
Try it this way. If you were a premier league footballer and scored against Spurs, would you celebrate?
He would've got plenty of game-time with us. It's not like he was banished from the squad or anything. I'm fine with him leaving, he did a job, now he moved on. Fair enough, but let's not pretend he is some kind of Spurs legend who is so devasted at scoring against Spurs that he can't celebrate. Lampard scoring against Chelsea and no cheering. That's very reasonable. But Chadli? Come on. What's next, the likes of Livermore, Siggy and Caulker can't celebrate if they score against us?
There is a big difference between simply raising your hand and cheering a bit or going full Adebayor beserk mode.
I probably would yes. I'm not a Spurs legend who has been at the club for many years. I'm employed by another club in that situation, a club I just scored for. Surely I should be happy for myself and for my club, when you are playing you're supposed to be fully commited to the team you play for, that includes being happy for scoring the goal instead of looking like you just commited a crime. Yeah, it sucks to score against the team I support and through that possibly costing them points, but is it really going to help anyone that I don't raise my hands and cheer a bit? I doubt it. I think you need to be profesional about it, instead of this hypocritical not cheering stuff, yet hurting Spurs all the same. That's what Spurs fans should be more upset about imo, not whether he cheered or not, lol. And of course, you don't have to go all out crazy when you celebrate, but you're here to do a job and you just did it by scoring, be happy about that. Roy Keane is a Spurs fan, that didn't stop him from celebrating.
And of course, when you are a real club legend, like Lampard was for Chelsea when he scored against them, I can fully understand the refusal to cheer, but nowadays you see all kinds of players not cheering because they happened to be a squad player at a certain club a couple of years ago. It's all a bit over the top imo.
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