Because he inherited a team that thought 22 losses in a season was normal
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Because he inherited a team that thought 22 losses in a season was normal
Why wasn’t he able to explain to them it wasn’t?
it was also a team that got to the Semis of both cup competitions. How come Frank didn’t continue that mentality from Ange?
Nobody else took us to a 17th place finish, I think that's a key part.
All of the others do receive criticism, it's just proportionate to the failings that they achieved with us.
The previous messes were less messy than Ange walking away from a physically and psychologically shattered squad, who he also managed somehow to leave with a major superiority complex due to the pot that they stumbled home with thanks to Luke Shaw's left tit.
I thought 7th place and a League Cup final on the horizon under Mourinho was dark times...
You know the point I'm getting at......what happened last season does not have to influence what is happening this season. It didn't influence Utd who were just as shocking as we were last season.
What matters most is strengthening a squad in the right areas and with excellent quality. Utd signed Cunha and Mbuemo, we signed Tel, Kudus and Muani on loan. Can you see the difference that good proven players can make?
Mourinho, Conte, Nuno, Ange, Frank and now Tudor have struggled with recent squads. Apart from a few exceptions we are simply shocking at buying players, so much money wasted over the years because we keep signing crap.....Mourinho, Conte and Nuno had Kane and Son to cover the majority cracks developing in this club. Since Kane left and Son started to rapidly decline we've been left with this harsh reality of an utter incompetent group of players
Ok, you can blame that on Ange for last season. But you cannot blame him for this season. A new manager came in, had a full pre season, signed some new players, started the season very well, and then everything turned to shit.
As has been pointed out, the same thing happened after the disastrous months of Stellini and Mason. Ange came in, we had a great first 10 games and then we steadily declined. Can you not see a pattern that predates Ange and is happening again after Ange? Can you not see the decline of this club way before Ange even arrived?
Doesn't have to no, but given what is happening, I find it difficult to not see a link between the two.
None of what you write here absolves Ange of his part in causing this, the others that have been at the club this season are guilty of not rectifying it.
All of those managers that you list as having struggled prior to Ange, none of them ever had us anywhere near relegation at the business end of the season, and despite what people want to claim about being well clear of the bottom 3 last season, 17th place is as near as you can get to relegation as you can get without actually being relegated.
Ange is responsible for that, but the other people still here had plenty of chance to right the ship, they've failed spectacularly. The players had chance to look in the mirror and acknowledge to themselves if nobody else that last season was not acceptable, instead they spent the summer break thinking they were the dogs bollocks, only looking in the mirror they did was to check out their Europa medals.
There's plenty of blame to go around. Reason I hold so much contempt for Ange is that I'm still furious about the mess he's made of our club on the pitch, he's ruined the squad to such an extent that it needs to be dismantled altogether and re-started from scratch pretty much. And then to rub salt in the wound, we're left with a bunch of cultists that still pine for him and glaze his memory non-stop, to the extent that they are even calling for his return!
This delusion that Postecoglou is somehow to blame for what's happened this season is the most pathetic embarrassing cope from some of the worst people on here.
You were wrong. Own it.
I think you can, the new manager didn't start from scratch, he started with an absolute mess, and from reports a squad that was still so enamoured with Ange that they resented having to work under Frank and his lowly Brentford staff.
Now I'll share some blame with the players here, they're so utterly dense and detached from reality that they were still fully behind Big Ange, even after he managed them to an embarrassing league finish last season, even despite having enough charisma that the players would run through walls for him, he was so inept at everything else that he could only achieve 17th place with them.
Yet they were surprised he was sacked? Idiots, the lot of them.
Mixed bunch of results. That 4-1 loss to Leicester was mad.
Losing to Arse and City isn't entirely outrageous. Although we were 2 up at HT away to City.
It was the Leicester and Wolves losses that were alarming.
Mason only won 2 games. We were 3-0 down Vs Liverpool in 15 minutes.
1 up vs Brentford then blown away.
I do recall us actually being the better side Vs United but being 0-2 down at HT.
Mason did nothing overly special. We were 5th he took over and finished 8th.
I'm not talking about Sherwood, haha. More about the AVB/Jose/Conte era.
They had peak Kane and Son
More pathetic cope.
The idea that Spurs winning a European Trophy against United left Spurs in a worse place than United - even though we sacked our "failing" manager and they didn't - is so utterly preposterous that it can only be stated by people who have some deep psychological need to avoid responsibility for just how catastrophically wrong they were about the true problems at Spurs - and how they treated fellow spurs fans who were RIGHT all long like cunts. Bullies and abusers the lot. And now they switch up to avoid accepting they were wrong.
Pathetic.
They didn't resent Frank in the super cup final against PSG, away to Man City, away to Leeds, away to Everton, in our CL games where we finished 4th in the league stage. Didn't see much resentment there
We would have been fine under Frank - midtable 10-14th - if it hadn't been for the injuries.
But as we saw the previous year when you have these kinds of injury levels collapse is only a matter of confidence away from relegation levels.
Why is it delusional?
We lost 22 league games under him. 22
We would actually do well to beat that this year and were terrible.
I know he didn't do anything too special, but if he was a permanent manager with a fluffy rep, people would make excuses about not having pre-season or his own players etc
He's been asked to patch up a crisis twice, and I would say he's done the job asked of him twice
Compared to Stellini and Tudor, he's on a Pleat level of what you want from an interim, and what we don't currently have IMO