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Manager Igor Tudor
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Yeah, Tudor isn’t some amazing manager, but yesterday was not on him. Whoever thinks Mason or Redknapp would do something better is delusional. It’s time to look at these players and blame them rather than manager who has been here for 3 weeks.
It’s not like you need amazing tactics to beat Fulham or Palace. It’s just fight and determination on the pitch which these cunts aren’t showing.
Exactly
They took so long with Frank that I can’t see them acting that fast with Tudor
Mainly because nobody knows who’s actually making decisions and do they have a clue what to do next?
It was mostly VDV and Vicario as well really
No red card and I think we win the game. At least a point. Tudor was shutting out the pass to Wharton with the CF and Sarr and they weren’t doing much. As soon as we went to 10, Wharton was everywhere
I agree with their sentiments that the players confidence is on the floor so coming out with the likes of what he did after the fulham game etc isn't going to improve that and the pampered bunch of pricks would respond to an arm around the shoulder, whispering in the ear that they are great etc is likely to get a better reaction.
Let's be honest, his style has done fuck all for us so far and hard to see how it suddenly starts working now considering how pathetic we have been in last 2 games.
I think his tactics are the problem though. That is my concern.
Looking back at last night….
I do think the loss is more on Tudor than I initially thought.
1) when playing a back 3, and with a porous midfield. Should you play your best DM on the right of the back 3 ? NO.
2) your goalkeeper is a horrific mess, who should have been dropped months ago, with a highly nervous back 3, which contains a CDM, should you keep picking that Goalkeeper ? NO.
3) when you need the crowd with you from the start, should you set up your team to start slow and ponderous? NO.
4) Do you pick a striker who has 1 goal this season above a striker who has 9 ? NO.
5) Following a sending off, do you decide to sub two players @ 40 minutes, rip apart any remaining cohesion, and risk conceding more, or do you shut up shop. Until Half Time and regroup - the answer is the latter.
6) when chasing the game, do you keep your top scorer and also your single creative player on the bench for the majority of the second half ? NO
I do think the loss is more on Tudor than I initially thought.
1) when playing a back 3, and with a porous midfield. Should you play your best DM on the right of the back 3 ? NO.
2) your goalkeeper is a horrific mess, who should have been dropped months ago, with a highly nervous back 3, which contains a CDM, should you keep picking that Goalkeeper ? NO.
3) when you need the crowd with you from the start, should you set up your team to start slow and ponderous? NO.
4) Do you pick a striker who has 1 goal this season above a striker who has 9 ? NO.
5) Following a sending off, do you decide to sub two players @ 40 minutes, rip apart any remaining cohesion, and risk conceding more, or do you shut up shop. Until Half Time and regroup - the answer is the latter.
6) when chasing the game, do you keep your top scorer and also your single creative player on the bench for the majority of the second half ? NO
This is the sensible take.
Not sure I'm in the mood for "sensible" though...
I don’t know what the club are waiting for , just get rid and move on . Hes promised one thing and delivered the opposite .
I will be extremely disappointed in the club if we don't prioritize prem survival the rest of the season. I want to see top lineups in the Prem before I see CL prioritized. We are an absolute mess right now.
It's a tricky balance of needing to absolutely prioritize the league while also wanting to find some sort of spark of momentum and not letting levels drop any further than they already have.
I can't claim to know what the right answer is. Maybe it's to just send an academy side out there to get rinsed 5-0, I'm not sure.
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Go at Atletico with the strongest possible line up, get the victory, and take the adrenaline in to the match at Anfield.
We stand a far greater chance of a positive result against Liverpool off the back of a positive result in Madrid than another demoralising negative one.
I disagree. Winning breeds confidence.
Go at Atletico with the strongest possible line up, get the victory, and take the adrenaline in to the match at Anfield.
We stand a far greater chance of a positive result against Liverpool off the back of a positive result in Madrid than another demoralising negative one.
We weren’t struggling in MF until the red card. They had Wharton under control with Sarr and our MF was winning the physical battle. After the red, everything changed.
Can’t argue with the GK change point.
Did he set them up to be slow? Or are they cautious about conceding first all the time?
Solanke scores and nearly had a second.
I think he had to take Souza to prevent another yellow. The other change was a striker for a ball winner. Very much about shutting up shop. The players just melted for 15 mins.
A lot of coaches talk about the last 20 mins being the game within a game when things open up. Having Xavi and Richy fresh for that has some logic tbh
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Tudor isn’t the problem, but if we need to change manager again to get a tune out of them, then we have to do it.
As much as I despise these players, I wonder if someone on the board talks to a few of the senior players and ask their opinion on the manager, if they think the group isn’t responding to him, then he has to go. It’s a dirty tactic, but we’re in such a desperate situation that we have to resort to desperate measures.
You’re absolutely bang on, the problem is the players 100%, but unfortunately those same players are also our only way out of this, and I think being the thin skinned bunch of losers that they are, they don’t seem to respond to a manager that tells them a few home truths.
Tudor isn’t the problem, but if we need to change manager again to get a tune out of them, then we have to do it.
As much as I despise these players, I wonder if someone on the board talks to a few of the senior players and ask their opinion on the manager, if they think the group isn’t responding to him, then he has to go. It’s a dirty tactic, but we’re in such a desperate situation that we have to resort to desperate measures.
There’s talk in reputable outlets like BBC/Guardian that the club is already considering a change. Hopefully we get someone else in charge over the weekend.
The players need someone to build up their confidence, get them to relax and enjoy being out there. Tudor is not going to make things better, he’s played 3 incredibly negative line ups and shipped 9 goals in 3 games. He’s not what we need.
As mad as it is, I’m coming round to the idea of Redknapp. The players need some love, as bad as they’ve been I do have some sympathy for them. The lack of ambition and sporting acumen within the club has turned things toxic and it brings out the worst in everyone. We need someone who can lift that cloud and Tudor is just not that guy.
The players need someone to build up their confidence, get them to relax and enjoy being out there. Tudor is not going to make things better, he’s played 3 incredibly negative line ups and shipped 9 goals in 3 games. He’s not what we need.
As mad as it is, I’m coming round to the idea of Redknapp. The players need some love, as bad as they’ve been I do have some sympathy for them. The lack of ambition and sporting acumen within the club has turned things toxic and it brings out the worst in everyone. We need someone who can lift that cloud and Tudor is just not that guy.
1. Porro played right of the back 3 so not sure what you're on about
2. Are you sure Kinsky and Austin are any better. All well and good saying Vicario needs dropping but if Kinsky is not showing much in training you can't throw him into the fire.
3. Do you think he said to the players just as they're leaving the dressing room "make sure you start slow ponderous lads?" No, of course he didn't. The confidence of these players is rock bottom and most if then are hiding.
4. Whilst I somewhat agree with this, Richy seems to get his goals from the bench plus he's only just come back from injury and might be on a pitch count.
5. I've no issue with the subs. I think the idea of taking off Souza who looked massively out of his depth and RKM who just looks shit, for a couple of players who might make us tighter and harder to break down was the correct call. Sadly it backfired within minutes. I was more concerned putting Tel to LWB as his poor pass allowed Palace to get their second.
6. We were down to ten and competing well. Baring 30 mins here and there Xavi has been awful. He's not our most creative available player. I've discussed Richy in point 4.
Look, I know people want to lash out at Tudor but he's been handed a shit sandwich.
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If you are right on Tudor, the change must arrive by Sunday at the latest.
Indecisiveness is everywhere and it needs addressing.
I just don't care who our manager is as long as find a way out of this unholy mess.