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Management In search of Mourinho's successor.
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Where did you hear that or is it a guess?
I guess we can also fully blame Poch also for signing Sissoko, Sanchez, Aurier and Moura?
Nobody would say the manager wasnt backed cos what the club provided was reasonable under the circumstances. That does not mean that the issues with the squad has been fixed overnight. The squad had been mismanaged for several seasons, evidenced by Lamela still being on the roster. Things have progressed in the right direction, but the squad is still far from the quality level required. Those problems will take multiple windows to fix, particularly with our seeming inability to sell our dead weights.
This is not about excuses for Mourinho but simply the reality. Any new manager we bring in will still be looking for midfielders and defenders (unless he is delusional enough to think Sissoko is Viera and Winks is Xavi). There are simply too many players in the squad who shouldnt be seeing the pitch for any quality side.
As for Mourinho (and I had posted this before), he (along with Pep, Klopp etc) belongs to the category of coaches who have a fixed idea on how they want to setup their team, and unless he has the type and quality of players needed to do that, you cannot see the desired outcome. Of course there are other coaches who are highly flexible in their approach. It can be described as the specialist vs the generalist. Which is why the specialist like Mourinho tend to do well at big clubs that have or can acquire the players they need while the generalist are more suitable to smaller clubs where the squad options are limited. If you cannot provide the needed environment for a specialist, then you wont get the best out of said specialist. But when the players are available, history has shown that the specialist are more successful than the generalists (which is why they get the jobs at the big clubs).
Some people describe them as 'cheque book managers', but I think it is inaccurate, cos while having the transfer budget make it easier to reshape the squad, the key point is having the needed players. Whether they were inherited, come through the academy, result of great scouting, or just outright spending of money, the main objective is to have the players.
The squad we currently have is two key pieces (a playmaker and top quality CB) short of the players Mourinho needs. We also still need upgrades in certain position and quality depth on the bench. What he has been doing is simply working around it. As the injuries have added up, the squad has moved farther away from what he is familiar with and more into the territory where a generalist will be more suited. The club can either continue on the path of reshaping the squad to his preferences, getting another specialist and start reshaping to the new manager's preferences, or get a generalist and settle for mediocrity.
Of course to some (like you), he is an has been, and are entitled to your opinion. I just disagree with such a simplistic view of things.
Jose was at a big club with unlimited cheque book and he did poorly at United with many of the same issues he has here.
The problem with this excuse making for Jose is that he is not using the players he does have well and setting up the team not to play the best style for success.
If he was doing that and not getting results than fine, but we aren't losing to Brighton and getting dominated by Chelsea because we don't have the right players we are doing that because the manager wants these guys playing a style that doesn't work for them and in which they have zero plans or incentive to try and attack at all.
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For me it is simple I can half excuse the defending as we have Dier but to have an attack of Kane, Son, Bale, Bergwijn, Dele, Vinnie, Lucas, Ndombele, Lamela and Lo Celso and play the way we play in attack is dreadful, even a pub manager would do better.
What a lot of bollocks :mourlmao: the players can lose their 18 months development I don't give a f about , many of them shouldn't even be in the stage of development anymore.
And what is woolwich situation ? They have a young modern progressive manager if you forgot and still have that supposed situation.
Disrespect to mourinho for comparing him to soldado , a better comparison would be giving zlatan / ronaldo chances despite them already passed their peak , we aren't talking about some veteran and trophyless manager like steve bruce / big sam here.
Actually felt sorry for mourinho instead , he is victim of his own success , came to a trophyless club with loser mentality for decades and somehow he becomes the problem
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And you just proved you are a mourinho fan and not a spurs fan. Get the fuck out.
Beggars can't be choosers , it's not like there are top manager out there waiting for spurs job.
(Knew you wouldnt be able to resist.....)
At United, Mourinho needed an overhaul of the entire squad cos of the type of players he inherited. He said as much when he took over at United (Jose Mourinho wants four specialist signings at Manchester United). LvG and Mourinho are philosophical antitheses, and the squad he inherited was built to suit LvG's possession based system. The big mistake Mourinho himself made was to use Pogba as the core of his midfield, when Pogba, for all his talent, is not the type of player (character wise) you build a mourinho midfield around. Still he was successful in his two full seasons (two cup wins in first season and finished 2nd in the next) but it wasnt pretty. The club for all their promises before hiring him, failed to buy the players he wanted (though I have am skeptical of Jose's judgement of target players), and like his usual petulant self, he screwed everything up to prove his point.
When the team was fit, the players were used well. You might not like the style of play (that is a matter of preference) but we were effective to the extent of topping the table. But the less suitable the available players are to his system, the worse the product will become. It is simply the consequence of him being a specialist. What he is currently trying to do is trying to find a system for the players available and that is simply not his strong point. If we win two cups this season, I dont think many would say we did poorly
If the club wants a manager that develops a system for the players available to him, then the club should hire a more 'generalist' manager, but at the same time the likelihood of success will decline. That is why I have always said that the success of managers should always be evaluated in the context in which they operate. Managers should be hired with a clear idea of what would be needed for them to succeed. If the club cant provide it, then its better to hire a different manager
Are you saying then that JM can only manage a team with his chosen XI in it? Any injuries, transfers or losses in form mean new personnel and therefore he is absolved from blame if the team fails??
Generalist / Specialist mangers???
A good coach/boss/manager molds the club to his football philosophy. From the kids to the first team. Anyone therefore coming into the first team squad environment knows what the philosophy and tactics are.
This cheque book manager nonsense is just shit and covering for the fact that the likes of JM aren’t actually good coaches. They/he may manage resources but actually developing young footballers, being innovative, being flexible when things go against you are beyond the likes of him.
Mourinho is a product of his time. He has coasted during the second half of his career on the cult of personality. He was found wanting during his second stint at Chelsea, his time at Man U and now with us
LOL
I really need someone in my life to make the excuses for me that you do for Jose.
If he needs a squad overhaul to be successful at a team like United then he is a shitty manager.
There is no preference. Nobody likes the style we are playing outside of maybe Jose apologists that only say they do because they Jose could punch them in the face and they would say how awesome it is.
The BS that he needs players needs to stop. He has world class players at both stops that other managers have been fine with. The issue is not the players it is him.
I really need someone in my life to make the excuses for me that you do for Jose.
If he needs a squad overhaul to be successful at a team like United then he is a shitty manager.
There is no preference. Nobody likes the style we are playing outside of maybe Jose apologists that only say they do because they Jose could punch them in the face and they would say how awesome it is.
The BS that he needs players needs to stop. He has world class players at both stops that other managers have been fine with. The issue is not the players it is him.
You seem to have quite the wild imagination and like to respond to your own imaginary thoughts.Are you saying then that JM can only manage a team with his chosen XI in it? Any injuries, transfers or losses in form mean new personnel and therefore he is absolved from blame if the team fails??
Generalist / Specialist mangers???
A good coach/boss/manager molds the club to his football philosophy. From the kids to the first team. Anyone therefore coming into the first team squad environment knows what the philosophy and tactics are.
This cheque book manager nonsense is just shit and covering for the fact that the likes of JM aren’t actually good coaches. They/he may manage resources but actually developing young footballers, being innovative, being flexible when things go against you are beyond the likes of him.
Mourinho is a product of his time. He has coasted during the second half of his career on the cult of personality. He was found wanting during his second stint at Chelsea, his time at Man U and now with us
If a good manager molds, why do clubs bother to buy players at all? Why not just keep molding? Maybe we should hire a potter to manage the team
This thread will be looking embarrassing very soon. Mark my words. We set off this season for two cups, in my opinion, and surprise, we are in the final of 1. Europa next, knock on wood.
Calm down, he will be given the rest of his contract. I believe this was his agreement with Levy. I watched some of his interviews when he was hired and he alluded the time Klopp got and will need time etc.
Seems very relaxed at the moment, which means he feels confident Levy will stick to the plan.
We will invest heavily in the summer. Fair few players will adios amigo. Now that I can bloody look forward to as I’ve had enough of some of this shower for a while.
We keep going.
Calm down, he will be given the rest of his contract. I believe this was his agreement with Levy. I watched some of his interviews when he was hired and he alluded the time Klopp got and will need time etc.
Seems very relaxed at the moment, which means he feels confident Levy will stick to the plan.
We will invest heavily in the summer. Fair few players will adios amigo. Now that I can bloody look forward to as I’ve had enough of some of this shower for a while.
We keep going.
LOL
No this thread will not be embarrassing soon, even if we fluke out two Cups it doesn't change how god awful we have been under Jose since he came here. Everything negative written about him in this thread is true and justified.
But always fun to see the apologists with their "in future" fantasyland predictions to defend Jose.
No this thread will not be embarrassing soon, even if we fluke out two Cups it doesn't change how god awful we have been under Jose since he came here. Everything negative written about him in this thread is true and justified.
But always fun to see the apologists with their "in future" fantasyland predictions to defend Jose.
Hahahaha almost little to no chance hes here a week on Monday
You sure about that?
Er...are you Mourinho's agent?
Are you a Spurs fan or a Mourinho fan?
I shouldn’t but I will respond. Only by saying that footballers are more flexible and are indeed in many instances, more intelligent than many give them credit for. They are able to adapt to different systems, tactics and roles.
It is well documented that Mourinho does not coach patterns of forward play, instead relying on ‘instinct’. As well as being turgid and boring (a matter of taste) his team is now ineffective - beleaguered defenders battling against wave after wave of attack because the manager does not value possession; and forward breaks that look devoid of any coherence.
of course players get injured, stale and old. New signings are key to any success but so is the ability to work with what you have, recognise hitherto unnoticed talents within the squad and bring the best out of everyone.
TBF, he might be right and we might win a trophy or two under him, can't see it myself though.
On the hand, you are definitely right.
"it doesn't change how god awful we have been under Jose since he came here."
I supported him when he came, but I just can't stand the defensive shite we get served up every week.
No, just hoping we win something this season.