I wasn't wrong though sadly.
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Management In search of Mourinho's successor.
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I wasn't wrong though sadly.
The current manager who has won things wherever he has been?
These players, baring 3-4, aren't good enough. They didn't win under Poch and are still those same players, just older.
Narglesman won't suddenly make Sissoko, Sanchez, Dier, Davies, Lucas better players. The squad needs a overhaul. Levy chose the cheap option, which in-turn is back firing on him.
No the idea is that Poch shouldn’t have been sacked because he was better than Ardiles, Sherwood, Gross, Hoddle, Francis, Santini, AVB, Harry Redknapp, Jol, Doug Livermore and Clemence Combo, Shreeves, Pleat, Graham and Hughton (who was still a player at the time)
It doesn't matter what he has done in the past, its what he is doing here and we're seeing from our more modern history almost unprecedented levels of poor results and poor performances. You have to go back to Gerry Francis in 97/98 for a run this bad over a season. We all know we need some new players but the recovery only starts when Mourinho has gone. He's clearly already burnt too many bridges. To give Mourinho a load of money in the summer would be the biggest mistake Levy has ever made, even more so than appointing him in the first place.
Do you honestly think any other manager would get this squad near the top of the league?
Mourinho had them top, and not just for 24 hours, for a few weeks. We're in a final, and have a god chance at the Europa as well.
But of course, you'll be hoping he loses all the matches just so you can say "I told you so."
Bin vote cast for quoting a near two year old post.
Harsh mate but yep fair play.
I just wish I had been fcuking wrong.
Big week for Mourinho. If it goes tits up he is gone for sure.
I haven't actually bin voted you for that, btw.
Case would just hit the delete button!
What rubbish, i have never once hoped we would lose. Yes i do believe another manager would have us top 4, Moyes had West Ham there as recently as Tuesday so why not? We obviously have a better team than them. If we take that attitude why sack Ramos? I mean Redknapp wouldn't do any better ( other than take us from bottom to 4th in 18 months). I also look forward to the open top bus ride in May when they hold up up a giant blow up of the league table from October, it will be a massive consolation after finishing 7th, 8th, 9th and playing football that would make Tony Pulis blush.
You truly don’t think this squad is good enough to get the what, the 68 points needed for top 4 this season?
We’re are on track for our worst points haul since Juande Ramos kicked us off with 2 points from 8 games.
Whatever deficiencies you think this squad has, how in good faith can you think it’s as bad as it looks right now with Jose at the helm?!
Incredible how people are just ignoring the fact individual mistakes are costing us. Leipzig lost last night due to 2 individual errors, yet people are choosing to ignore them because Narglesman is the next coming of Ferguson.
We don't have the same squad Poch had in 16/17 and 17/18.. Centre back choice of Dier, an old Alderweireld, Sanchez and Rodon.. Is that really elite? The squad needs investment massively, and not just 1-2 £50m players. We need 5-6 players in.
We bought Mourinho in to win silverware, and we still have 2 great chances at that.
We don't have the same squad Poch had in 16/17 and 17/18.. Centre back choice of Dier, an old Alderweireld, Sanchez and Rodon.. Is that really elite? The squad needs investment massively, and not just 1-2 £50m players. We need 5-6 players in.
We bought Mourinho in to win silverware, and we still have 2 great chances at that.
Stop right there and have a think about the following-
How much money did he need to spend to win things?
How long ago was it?
How much money did he need to spend relative to rivals?
What level of player made up his squad?
How many big rivals did he have in the past?
What kind of prem point tallies has he put up in the past compared to what Klopp, Pep or even Poch got?
He needs to outspend rivals. Never happening here. NEXT MANAGER.
If Levy is going to be a cunt who we can't force out then let's at least have football that isn't depressing to watch.
Handing Jose a budget war chest won't do fuck all and you're insane if you think differently. He'll do what he did at Utd and even HERE after the 9 signings. Complain his squad is weak and not use players he bought.
Like I said, in the summer if we are trophyless then I'm on board for a change in manager, but that isn't going to bread instant success. Whilst we have an owner and chairman not interested in investing properly in the playing squad, and aren't looking to sell either, then it's going to be the same old story.
Poch was let down by Levy, and that won't change for the next manager. I honestly don't know why any top manager would want to come to us seeing what's happening. Add to that if Kane goes in the summer, then we're fucked.
Poch was let down by Levy, and that won't change for the next manager. I honestly don't know why any top manager would want to come to us seeing what's happening. Add to that if Kane goes in the summer, then we're fucked.
True to some degree but this summer was about as good a backing as Levy has ever given any manager and we certainly shouldn’t be 9th playing shit football with the squad we have. A good manager with this squad should be looking at around 3-5th playing attacking football.
If I was to compare our current squad to Poch’s best squad then we have far more depth in attack now but a weaker defence.
People hang their hats on the manager change because it looks like a quick fix.
At some point we have to get around to addressing the real issue: weeding out the vast amounts of dross that make up the squad and parts of the first XI.
These players didn't do it under Poch and now they are older and worse and failing to do it under Jose.
This is 100% spot on!
I know why people are ignoring the individual errors that are directly costing us games....it's because by admitting that fact, they weaken their 'Jose out' stance considerably. And for those who point to our playing style, 2 things,
1, Sub-standard players massively contribute to sub-standard displays on the pitch!
2, Playing style improves significantly with better players in the team!
I'd also add that I'd rather Mourinho oversees the revolution of playing staff (so badly needed) than any other manager out there right now!
Don't worry Gatsby, you're not the only one here who can see the reality of the situation, there are still plenty reasonable fans around...great post btw!
Why did Jose's 15/16 Chelsea team make so many individual errors, eventually leading to his sacking?
Despite Chelsea winning the league the season before and the season after. With basically the same team?
An individual error CAN stem from a coach's instruction. If you're telling a team to pass out from the back, when they're poor at doing it, mistakes will happen. And that's just one example.
Not saying they've all been, mind.
We played attacking football at Everton in the FA Cup.. What cost us? Individual errors. You can't tell me Mourinho instructed Hojbjerg to give away the ball or the penalty, or that Lloris should be beaten easily?
We lost at City again to 3 mistakes, but I suppose it was Mourinho who told Sanchez to fall over and give the goal away, or the ref to miss a foul on Hojbjerg.
We lost at City again to 3 mistakes, but I suppose it was Mourinho who told Sanchez to fall over and give the goal away, or the ref to miss a foul on Hojbjerg.
I posted previously that since January we haven't played the same CB partnership in consecutive PL games.
Pre January Toby and Dier played, as a pair, in 2 lots of 4 consecutive games. Separated only by the Chelsea game where Rodon played alongside Dier. So it could of been a 9 game run of having the same CB pairing.
That tells me that the CBs are terrified of making a mistake as they know they'll get dropped. If a player is terrified of making a mistake, he's more likely to make a mistake.
That's on Jose.
Don't know if this makes sense to any one else but it does to me.