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Are Referee's Reffing Us Out of The Premier League?

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dustybin said:
Probably shouldn’t say it but I always had suspicions of Lloris especially in those seasons we were challenging. Some of those goals he let in against Chelsea and Woolwich in particular didn’t look right. Thought it at the time and still have that nagging feeling something went on there. Mistake is mistake but a couple of the goals looked Hans seagers like. That Sanches goal at whl was suspicious as fuck for me. It’s more than possible certain clubs and groups pay certain players off the record. I’m sure of it.
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I dunno about the Lloris and Sanchez examples you are citing. But i'm 100% sure it happens.
 
I'm going to hoist a flag here and see if anyone wishes to salute it.

If you believe that there is a high probability of match fixing / corruption happening in the Premier League; which team's players would be the easiest to corrupt?

Would it be the better wage paying clubs who would suffer with this disease or those who pay poorer wages?

:gallashmm:

Which 'top' team have consistently payed their players below the going rate and 'lose' big games like semi's and finals?


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/1r2pxtv/daniel_levys_motivational_speech_to_ange_before/
 
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dustybin said:
Probably shouldn’t say it but I always had suspicions of Lloris especially in those seasons we were challenging. Some of those goals he let in against Chelsea and Woolwich in particular didn’t look right. Thought it at the time and still have that nagging feeling something went on there. Mistake is mistake but a couple of the goals looked Hans seagers like. That Sanches goal at whl was suspicious as fuck for me. It’s more than possible certain clubs and groups pay certain players off the record. I’m sure of it.
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Are you aware of what Hugo Lloris's father does for a living?

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Distaste for scouse said:
I dunno about the Lloris and Sanchez examples you are citing. But i'm 100% sure it happens.
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Ive seen that goal from a few angles and for me it’s more than a mistake. It’s dodgy as fuck. It sounds far fetched but football is full of unscrupulous and shady people. Even fat Sam was involved in some dodgy shit when England manager.

Might not even be money. Players have so much money and free time they probably get up to stuff where blackmail comes into play. It’s better getting them to do something illegal and implicate them than just demanding money. With that much money involved in football and betting it’s naive to think nothing like that goes on.
 
Deuterz said:
Lol we were a tag along to that. All the top 6 had prints over it.

Spurs are worth money to the prem. They don’t want us down.
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I've read the argument you're promoting in your posts today. The logical conclusion, if you're right, is that referees should be bending over backwards to give US decisions, so we don't get relegated. The trouble is, they aren't doing that - in fact the opposite seems to be true, which suggests to me that you might be posting bollocks.

Happy to be corrected, so fire away.
 
Deuterz said:
Can someone explain to me rationally why the premier league would want a top 6 club, who are part of the clubs who earn them the most money, to go down?

It doesn’t serve any interest for us to be relegated. If you’re going to come up with a conspiracy theory there first has to be a plausible reason for a grand conspiracy against Spurs. In which all officials co-ordinate to relegate us. Which would require unreal levels of keeping people silent at the risk of the total collapse of the leagues establishment.

So no, it isn’t. People can argue subconscious bias or bad luck but anyone thinking it’s a co-ordinated plan against Tottenham is thinking totally irrationally. It makes no sense to do it nor would it really work.
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I don't believe its deliberate or planned. I just think its a bias that now has a wave of momentum behind it.

Do you think Gabriel and Romero are reffed the same? Do you think any of our players get treated like Saka or Rice by the referees? Its just become a massive bias. Its easy to give 50/50 decisions against Spurs and we've had them go against us all season. Its become very blatant since the turn of the year. Tudor is only here 2 games and he's already seen a goal disallowed for us that was then allowed against us in the next game and he's in total shock. We are used to this!
 
I want Tudor to be talking about refs all week before Thursday and, especially, Sunday.
Get it in every media outlet that he's paying attention to what the refs are doing.
Put them in the spot light.
Make everyone watch what they do.
It's a lot harder to blatantly cheat a team when the whole country is watching to see.
 
Son Spurs said:
The refereeing discussion is annoying because it doesn't change the fact that our performances have been abysmal. If that goal hadn't stood yesterday I could still see Fulham going into the break 2-0 up, if our goal against Woolwich brought it back to 2-2 I could still see them winning that game.

Within the club it's another distraction from the fact that we've been piss poor and deservedly have only picked up 4 points in 10 games. It's another "the fans are making the atmosphere bad and that's why we're losing" kind of excuse. It forgives the absolutely shameless performances all season.
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That's as maybe, but it still doesn't take away from the fact they're making sure we have ABSOLUTELY no chance!
Yes, we're shit, but not even being given a fair chance to legitimately play our way out of this mess fairly is what's so galling.

Deuterz said:
Can someone explain to me rationally why the premier league would want a top 6 club, who are part of the clubs who earn them the most money, to go down?

It doesn’t serve any interest for us to be relegated. If you’re going to come up with a conspiracy theory there first has to be a plausible reason for a grand conspiracy against Spurs. In which all officials co-ordinate to relegate us. Which would require unreal levels of keeping people silent at the risk of the total collapse of the leagues establishment.

So no, it isn’t. People can argue subconscious bias or bad luck but anyone thinking it’s a co-ordinated plan against Tottenham is thinking totally irrationally. It makes no sense to do it nor would it really work.
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Maybe the Football League need to raise the profile of the Championship, and ask the PL for a sacrificial lamb!

We were chosen as the most expendable!
 
Matt1882 said:
I want Tudor to be talking about refs all week before Thursday and, especially, Sunday.
Get it in every media outlet that he's paying attention to what the refs are doing.
Put them in the spot light.
Make everyone watch what they do.
It's a lot harder to blatantly cheat a team when the whole country is watching to see.
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Absolutely

The club could even make it known that they’ve complained to the PGMOL and the league
 
Kosher Kid said:
I'm going to hoist a flag here and see if anyone wishes to salute it.

If you believe that there is a high probability of match fixing / corruption happening in the Premier League; which team's players would be the easiest to corrupt?

Would it be the better wage paying clubs who would suffer with this disease or those who pay poorer wages?

:gallashmm:

Which 'top' team have consistently payed their players below the going rate?
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would that not mean we have more money to pay the refs to match fix for us ?:ange-hmm:
 
Matt1882 said:
I want Tudor to be talking about refs all week before Thursday and, especially, Sunday.
Get it in every media outlet that he's paying attention to what the refs are doing.
Put them in the spot light.
Make everyone watch what they do.
It's a lot harder to blatantly cheat a team when the whole country is watching to see.
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Unfortunately I think this is the only solution. We need to just keep talking about the refs and corner them into a position where atleast they'd have to think twice before given a big call against us.

Referees work on instinct and allow biases to effect recent calls. VAR is just pure bingo. They tend to go with the online decision but every now and then get involved for no reason. sometimes its good and they spot something obvious but unfortunately VAR and made refs afraid to make decisions and then VAR are afraid to intervene. We need to be in the referees heads and stop being on the wrong end of every big decision!
 
Deuterz said:
Can someone explain to me rationally why the premier league would want a top 6 club, who are part of the clubs who earn them the most money, to go down?

It doesn’t serve any interest for us to be relegated. If you’re going to come up with a conspiracy theory there first has to be a plausible reason for a grand conspiracy against Spurs. In which all officials co-ordinate to relegate us. Which would require unreal levels of keeping people silent at the risk of the total collapse of the leagues establishment.

So no, it isn’t. People can argue subconscious bias or bad luck but anyone thinking it’s a co-ordinated plan against Tottenham is thinking totally irrationally. It makes no sense to do it nor would it really work.
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Because they don't give a shit about Spurs. We're not owned by a petro state or American multi-billionaire. Those are the owners who they have to appease. We're owned by the corpse of Joe Lewis and his doofus kids, who never raise a stink about anything.

In the eyes of the league, our purpose is to be the London rivals to the mightly and honorable Woolwich and Chelsea. We don't have the same international fanbase as any of the other big six clubs, especially now that Son is gone. We're regularly disrespected by the league, journalists, media, and officials. They would like nothing more than to see us relegated so they can meme us until the end of time.
 
wee said:
I've read the argument you're promoting in your posts today. The logical conclusion, if you're right, is that referees should be bending over backwards to give US decisions, so we don't get relegated. The trouble is, they aren't doing that - in fact the opposite seems to be true, which suggests to me that you might be posting bollocks.

Happy to be corrected, so fire away.
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I don’t think referees are instructed to help any one team. They might be subject to normal individual biases or incompetency but the whole idea of a grand conspiracy against Spurs is silly and all the evidence presented in come across as bitter, paranoid ramblings based on emotion and tribalism.

We’ve had bad decisions against us. We’ve also had ones go for us that people just conveniently forget about. It makes no sense for the league to target a top 6 club for relegation. The motives of “cause drama” are just a bit silly.

I fully expect a rational response to this, and not just people using anyone who argues back against “the league is against us!” as a punching bag…
 
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