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Can you fill us in on details? Granted, I had Italian at Uni but that was years ago and it was even shit back then. You can imagine how shit it is now. Does it look like these charges are going to stick? Will Paratici get the chop? Will we be obilged to only recruit 35 year olds due to our association with all of this?Juventus Under Pressure
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In my opinion it will all end in a soap bubble. Juventus' capital gains are disputed but now they say there is also Naples, Rome, Milan, Inter. The football system, if you do not have an emir, now feeds on these operations to adjust the budgets. Now they are making noise in the newspapers. We'll see if it's serious or a bluff
From: Corriere della sera
There are 42 market transactions concluded by Juventus in the period 2019-21 that have also ended up under the lens of the Turin Public Prosecutor's Office which has opened an investigation for false accounting after Consob had already moved in recent weeks, with an investigation , and Covisoc, the Supervisory Commission on football clubs, with a report that had led to the opening of a file also by the Prosecutor of the Football Federation. The "adjust budgets" capital gain
The theme (also at the center of several interceptions) is that of capital gains generated in the sale of players, an increasingly spent tool used in recent years by clubs to adjust budgets. The topic is complicated and not new; We have tried several times to shed some light but we have always had to face a difficult obstacle to overcome: how to objectively define the evaluation of a player?
What is the capital gain and those incriminated
The capital gain is the gain that is obtained from the expensive sale of a player. When a company buys a player, the cost is divided by the contract years and the amount represents the annual amortization amount. The capital gain is generated, at the time of sale, between the sale price and the residual value not amortized. Among the 42 transactions concluded by Juve with Italian and foreign clubs, the main one concerns the Pjanic-Arthur exchange with Barcelona: the Bosnian was valued 60 million, the Brazilian 72. The list is long and also includes the Cancelo-Danilo deal with Manchester City, the sale of the goalkeeper Audero to Sampdoria plus a long series of purchases and sales of young people. Like Nicolò Rovella, bought by the bianconeri for 18 million from Genoa (where he is currently on loan), while the Ligurian company secured Manolo Portanova (for 10 million) and Elia Petrelli (for 8). Like Franco Tongya and Marley Aké, whom Juve and Marseille exchanged for 8 million. Like Pablo Moreno, sold to City for 10 million (and now to Girona) and Felix Andrade who made the reverse journey from City to Juve for 10.508 million (now on loan to Parma).
The figures
In recent years, the instrument of capital gains has been greatly exploited by Juve: within the item "Proceeds from management of players' rights", the capital gains amounted to 131.6 million in the 2018-19 budget and 119.7 million in 2019-20 while 'was a turnaround in fiscal 2020-21 with the drop to 30.8 million. In all, 282.1 million. a considerable amount on which investigations are underway
What Juventus risks
What is the Juventus club risking now if the Turin Public Prosecutor ascertains the responsibility of the six Juventus managers under investigation and the club for fictitious capital gains? There are two tracks: the crime of false accounting - governed by articles 2621 and 2622 of the Civil Code and Legislative Decree 74/2000 which provide for specific levels of thinking for each crime - and sports justice. On this second aspect, we must consider the difficulty of establishing objective criteria for the evaluation of a player. There is the precedent of Chievo which, in 2018, was penalized by 3 points in the standings for "repeated violation and avoidance of the rules of prudence and accounting correctness" (decision also confirmed by the Guarantee Committee). In the Code of Sports Justice of the FIGC, article 31 regulates the issue. Paragraph 1 concerns "providing false, reticent or partial information" or implementing "conduct in any case aimed at evading federal management and economic legislation", with the exception of any other special rules and violations in terms of licensing Uefa, and leads to a fine with a warning. Paragraph 2 relating to the conduct of "those who try to obtain registration in a competition to which you could not have been admitted" is heavier. They range from penalty in the standings to, in extremely serious cases, exclusion from the championship. However, the "Prisma" investigation by the Turin prosecutor is still in its infancy.
There are 42 market transactions concluded by Juventus in the period 2019-21 that have also ended up under the lens of the Turin Public Prosecutor's Office which has opened an investigation for false accounting after Consob had already moved in recent weeks, with an investigation , and Covisoc, the Supervisory Commission on football clubs, with a report that had led to the opening of a file also by the Prosecutor of the Football Federation. The "adjust budgets" capital gain
The theme (also at the center of several interceptions) is that of capital gains generated in the sale of players, an increasingly spent tool used in recent years by clubs to adjust budgets. The topic is complicated and not new; We have tried several times to shed some light but we have always had to face a difficult obstacle to overcome: how to objectively define the evaluation of a player?
What is the capital gain and those incriminated
The capital gain is the gain that is obtained from the expensive sale of a player. When a company buys a player, the cost is divided by the contract years and the amount represents the annual amortization amount. The capital gain is generated, at the time of sale, between the sale price and the residual value not amortized. Among the 42 transactions concluded by Juve with Italian and foreign clubs, the main one concerns the Pjanic-Arthur exchange with Barcelona: the Bosnian was valued 60 million, the Brazilian 72. The list is long and also includes the Cancelo-Danilo deal with Manchester City, the sale of the goalkeeper Audero to Sampdoria plus a long series of purchases and sales of young people. Like Nicolò Rovella, bought by the bianconeri for 18 million from Genoa (where he is currently on loan), while the Ligurian company secured Manolo Portanova (for 10 million) and Elia Petrelli (for 8). Like Franco Tongya and Marley Aké, whom Juve and Marseille exchanged for 8 million. Like Pablo Moreno, sold to City for 10 million (and now to Girona) and Felix Andrade who made the reverse journey from City to Juve for 10.508 million (now on loan to Parma).
The figures
In recent years, the instrument of capital gains has been greatly exploited by Juve: within the item "Proceeds from management of players' rights", the capital gains amounted to 131.6 million in the 2018-19 budget and 119.7 million in 2019-20 while 'was a turnaround in fiscal 2020-21 with the drop to 30.8 million. In all, 282.1 million. a considerable amount on which investigations are underway
What Juventus risks
What is the Juventus club risking now if the Turin Public Prosecutor ascertains the responsibility of the six Juventus managers under investigation and the club for fictitious capital gains? There are two tracks: the crime of false accounting - governed by articles 2621 and 2622 of the Civil Code and Legislative Decree 74/2000 which provide for specific levels of thinking for each crime - and sports justice. On this second aspect, we must consider the difficulty of establishing objective criteria for the evaluation of a player. There is the precedent of Chievo which, in 2018, was penalized by 3 points in the standings for "repeated violation and avoidance of the rules of prudence and accounting correctness" (decision also confirmed by the Guarantee Committee). In the Code of Sports Justice of the FIGC, article 31 regulates the issue. Paragraph 1 concerns "providing false, reticent or partial information" or implementing "conduct in any case aimed at evading federal management and economic legislation", with the exception of any other special rules and violations in terms of licensing Uefa, and leads to a fine with a warning. Paragraph 2 relating to the conduct of "those who try to obtain registration in a competition to which you could not have been admitted" is heavier. They range from penalty in the standings to, in extremely serious cases, exclusion from the championship. However, the "Prisma" investigation by the Turin prosecutor is still in its infancy.
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Would be great if Inter was their main football project and Newcastle become a feeder club
If there's truth to this story then it will still be all about Newcastle as the jewel in their many crowns. The size of the PL dictates this. (it would be quite a marker, City have bought up utter shit around the World, imagine if PIF is going to copy what City have done only instead of buying Girona, Melbourne or whoever they buy CL level Clubs!!).
Are Juventus fans regretting letting Pirlo go?
Sure, they didn't win the league, but they did finish in 4th, won both the cup and Italian super cup and were transitioning to a more attacking style of football under him.
Allegri has not exactly been a glorious return to the ways of old. Wouldn't it have made more sense to let Prilo continue with his project?
Sure, they didn't win the league, but they did finish in 4th, won both the cup and Italian super cup and were transitioning to a more attacking style of football under him.
Allegri has not exactly been a glorious return to the ways of old. Wouldn't it have made more sense to let Prilo continue with his project?
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Pirlo had little experience and arrived at an unfortunate moment, paying for sins that were not his. Juventus has partially mistaken the market in recent years by putting expensive (Ramsey, Rabiot) parameters in the belly 0 € and the megalomaniacal deal of Ronaldoz The Portuguese is a great champion but with his absurd costs and his centrality has blocked the growth of the team that had become fixed top 8 in Europe. Allegri is trying to put the pieces back together. Surely the previous mistakes are due to Agnelli and Paratici who without Marotta (who went to Inter) have messed up a bit.
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