January 2020 transfer thread

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Now you're just posting odd lists ... is that for your dog's amusement as well?
Not at all. My education. Just a commendation of the educational system.
As for my dog. I showed him your insulting post but he didn't take it personally so you and I should be ok. 😁
 
So the rest of the season mostly without a striker. Thanks Danny boy.
Enjoy the ride
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Ali golds youtube round up was interesting.

He actually made a really positive defence of the squad , not sure he meant for it to be one but it made me feel positive about it.

However he said one really interesting thing which is exactly why I always question Enic.

He said that within the club it was very calm as they thing the answer to our striker solution is already with is Son. I immediately thought well Mourinho hasn't played him there so far and then he went onto say it was Mourinho was the one who wanted a target man but obviously he didnt get one.

It utterly baffles me. Why bring him in for then decide you think his judgement is incorrect and we can do with Son. Which for what it's worth if we had a different coach is agree with but we dont. Mourinho doesn't think Son is a striker so fuck knows what happens now.

I hope they're all on the same page otherwise this isnt going to last long.

Sonny can help out up top but with how we push Aurier up on the right side and Lucas seemingly not comfortable on the left maybe our hands were tied with options.

I fully expect to see Lucas on the right, Son up front and Bergwijn now on the left. I also think that Sessegnon WF is a non-starter, I think Mourinho is going to do all he can to develop his defensive skills from now until the end of the season to see if he can be the direct replacement for Rose long term with Davies being first choice for a season or so.
 
Sonny can help out up top but with how we push Aurier up on the right side and Lucas seemingly not comfortable on the left maybe our hands were tied with options.

I fully expect to see Lucas on the right, Son up front and Bergwijn now on the left. I also think that Sessegnon WF is a non-starter, I think Mourinho is going to do all he can to develop his defensive skills from now until the end of the season to see if he can be the direct replacement for Rose long term with Davies being first choice for a season or so.
I'd like to see that front three as well. I think it could be great. Maybe also dele on the right if aurier is pushed up.

But does jose agree? That's the important part.
 
1. Did not address any areas of need … RB, DM, striker
2. United got Bruno Fernandez who we had been linked to before, and a back up striker
3. Our countless loan outs show just how poor our academy is .. While Chelsea, United, Liverpool and Woolwich bring many young kids successfully into the first team, our kids are only good enough for loans to lower league clubs where they invariably get few if any minutes. Yes I know Tanganga but the other clubs have exciting creative attacking players. We have Troy who would get minutes with the other clubs I mentioned but not under Mou where we need a back up striker.
4. Levy even screwed getting rid of Wanyama by being too smart for his own good.

Bollocks..... Until this season (which was no choice during to trf ban), the cunts were notorious for loaning everyone out and having no path into the seniors.

As for Liverpool, apart from TAA name me the last youth player to make it there?
 
So no BC you never said those explicit words to me but your actions/posts did exhibit such.

So you were just making that up then.

I was never constantly calling for Carroll either.

There were a lot of games when we were 3/4/5-0 up and I was calling for Onomah to be given some minutes. Maybe you are confusing that.

But that’s still not me claiming we need to bring Onomah on to save the universe, just to give the kid some risk free minutes.

And making a point often does involve hyperbole and exaggeration with no disingenuousness involved. No strawman either...he's champo just like the rest of them that get the body shape right, look good on the training ground, and send the balls sideways and backwards. And if memory serves you were never behind his being let go either...there was still a chance in your mind that if given just a little bit more time...Champo.

But it doesn’t have to involve outright bullshit or complete misrepresentation of what the other person had actually said.

I was all for selling Carroll.




I never hear you complaining that we don't give Alfie Whiteman some minutes? Why? Because you have no expectation of him seeing the field. but with these others your expecting the next Harry Kane. Or should I point you to your Onomah posts?

By all means point me to a post where I say Onomah next Harry Kane.

See, this is the type of disingenuous straw man bullshit cliche you keep trotting out. I Didn’t ever claim Onomah is or is guaranteed to ever be world class. And this type of nonsense gets really fucking boring.

All I’ve ever said is that as youth players Onomah’s potential was greater than someone like Winks, and that he was never given a single minute as a CM and given 20 minutes in the actual first team (PL) in three years. During which time his development completely stalled.

You even acknowledge that I’m not championing players I don’t think can make some kind of realistic impact. (Your point re Whiteman) I didn’t want Livermore, Townsend, CcV for example anywhere near the first team.

But there have been a few players who could definitely been squad viable and been used to fulfil regular rotation remits that could have saved us millions on purchased players who have also notbeen Harry Kane.


I didn't hear you folks complaining about the 40M 'wasted' on GLC by not getting him the year before. That's really wasted as he was available and we were dealing with PSG. That's really wasted. The other shit is potentially, possibly wasted. And ultimately it's not because they are sold down to their level.

You didn’t hear me say I liked Lo Celso when he was at PSG?
Bullshit. I’ve also flagged up as many cheap Young options as anyone on here or SC.

Yes, perhaps more should have gone on loan in retrospect but I also see it as reasonable to keep the really promising players close to home to ingrain your way and to avoid bad habits. Just like I want Aouar out of Lyon because I see his growth stunted and incipient bad habits.

There’s no point keeping them close to home for three fucking years at the most vital stage of their development if you have no intention of trusting them or giving them reasonable chances to continue their development by playing. That’s not developing them that’s killing any chance of development or character/footballing growth.

And the c*nt did it at 3 clubs BC. He's c*nt BC and it's occurred everywhere he's been. You have no standing on this one BC. He's a c*nt. Hopefully he gets better but when it was his time he was a c*nt.

More bollocks. What’s the worst thing you actually know that Edwards did?

Has he done anything like go online publicly and call his manager a homo who sucks off his players?

Has he done anything like publicly cunt off his club, manager and team mates in the national tabloid press?

Tell me, what cultish things do you know Edwards did?
 
Agree with most of that, but that’s a bit harsh on Rose. He had a couple of great seasons, and deservedly became an England regular. I didn’t like his attitude, but for a while he was a real asset.

As for getting a striker, I find it hard to believe that there wasn’t someone available on a free or 6 month loan out there.

Fair comment, maybe a bit harsh on Rose, but his conduct in giving press interviews which stuck the knife into the squad and club is almost unprecedented. Difficult to give a balanced opinion, although when Poch arrived the Rose/Walker full back combo was possibly best in PL at that time,

Aside from the half dozen names mentioned in this thread 33 year old Giuseppe Rossi ( who we chased when 'arry was manager) has been without a club for a year or so and trained with ManU earlier this year....

Lots of possibilities like that but certainly not quality - and as I say the ManU solution really cannot see being beneficial. But maybe I'll be proved wrong - and equally its true most January signings don't really get to their best until following season.

My personal option might have been buying an extra AM in winger/striker Jarrod Bowen - giving us an extra HG player able to play a false 9 or winger, scores lots of goals. IMO better option than the list of crap strikers we were linked with, but certainly not ideal.
 
And all these Chelsea youngsters that are in the team this season - where were they playing last season? oh aye, they were on loan.

Also fun to read we didn’t get a RB, DM or striker, but still not happy that ManU got Bruno F, even though he’s none of these.

Bruno F cost an initial fee of around 55m euros (£47m) for the 25-year-old, though add-ons could increase the overall cost to 80m euros (£67.6m). Eye watering amount versus the £41m we paid for Lo Celso and slightly more for Ndombele - and not sure we'd need all three and in principle I prefer the 22 year olds to a 35 year old.
 
I suppose you could say the market is tight in January so not suprising we didnt have a striker signed.

But there isnt much of an excuse to not get one in the summer. Wed have been better off just extending llorente for another year
He hardly played in the last couple of years when Kane was out, so doubtful he’d have played now. Maybe Jose would have trusted him more than Poch, but his age is bound to be catching up with him.
 
I suppose you could say the market is tight in January so not suprising we didnt have a striker signed.

But there isnt much of an excuse to not get one in the summer. Wed have been better off just extending llorente for another year

Artem Dzyuba, Olivier Giroud, Sebastian Andersson etc all big target type strikers out of contract in the summer and a whole host of similar strikers whose contracts end 2021 to choose from. Come the summer when teams aren't scrapping for European places or to stay in their top flights we will be fine:


Take your pick of the 2020/2021 list, we will absolutely be fine securing one if we want to. Arkadiusz Milik would be the one for me.
 
So you were just making that up then.
There's the 'word' and there's the 'spirit' BC. And you know you were called for Carroll like he was the scratch for our itch.

I was calling for Onomah to be given some minutes.
You are underselling the verve with which you did it. And again, perhaps he should have 'earned' the minutes and he wouldn't have needed to be given them. Which is the point of all of this.

By all means point me to a post where I say Onomah next Harry Kane.
That's silly BC. You're taking a figure of speech literally in order to knock it back. C'mon man.

You didn’t hear me say I liked Lo Celso when he was at PSG?
Bullshit. I’ve also flagged up as many cheap Young options as anyone on here or SC.
Honestly, no I don't remember you saying that. Honestly. The first convos as far as xfer I remember re:GLC were the CL final and his Betis time. But that doesn't mean you didn't. But again just mentioning someone like "I like this guy" doesn't deserve credit as it is not really putting your balls on the line.

But there have been a few players who could definitely been squad viable and been used to fulfil regular rotation remits that could have saved us millions on purchased players who have also notbeen Harry Kane.
Yes, we have those but surely we've heard about more than the 4 that are with us now right? I think the championing of players does them a disservice as it raises expectations of supporters leading to ultimate disappointment.

if you have no intention of trusting them or giving them reasonable chances to continue their development by playing.
But how do you know he had 'no intention' of doing it? The answer cannot be 'because he didn't' as we are talking about 'intentions'. I intended to be a billionaire but I'm not. I still 'intended' it though.

More bollocks. What’s the worst thing you actually know that Edwards did?
I don't know and I am not to know. Pretty sure passing stuff like that around could be cause for action against a team. But we do know that things didn't go well at Norwich right? And we sold him because of these things, right? All that matters.

And as far as the Aurier stuff PSG sold him for it too.
 
So you were just making that up then.

I was never constantly calling for Carroll either.

There were a lot of games when we were 3/4/5-0 up and I was calling for Onomah to be given some minutes. Maybe you are confusing that.

But that’s still not me claiming we need to bring Onomah on to save the universe, just to give the kid some risk free minutes.



But it doesn’t have to involve outright bullshit or complete misrepresentation of what the other person had actually said.

I was all for selling Carroll.






By all means point me to a post where I say Onomah next Harry Kane.

See, this is the type of disingenuous straw man bullshit cliche you keep trotting out. I Didn’t ever claim Onomah is or is guaranteed to ever be world class. And this type of nonsense gets really fucking boring.

All I’ve ever said is that as youth players Onomah’s potential was greater than someone like Winks, and that he was never given a single minute as a CM and given 20 minutes in the actual first team (PL) in three years. During which time his development completely stalled.

You even acknowledge that I’m not championing players I don’t think can make some kind of realistic impact. (Your point re Whiteman) I didn’t want Livermore, Townsend, CcV for example anywhere near the first team.

But there have been a few players who could definitely been squad viable and been used to fulfil regular rotation remits that could have saved us millions on purchased players who have also notbeen Harry Kane.




You didn’t hear me say I liked Lo Celso when he was at PSG?
Bullshit. I’ve also flagged up as many cheap Young options as anyone on here or SC.



There’s no point keeping them close to home for three fucking years at the most vital stage of their development if you have no intention of trusting them or giving them reasonable chances to continue their development by playing. That’s not developing them that’s killing any chance of development or character/footballing growth.



More bollocks. What’s the worst thing you actually know that Edwards did?

Has he done anything like go online publicly and call his manager a homo who sucks off his players?

Has he done anything like publicly cunt off his club, manager and team mates in the national tabloid press?

Tell me, what cultish things do you know Edwards did?
But accordé!! Fuck my wife!
 
Having watched a lot of Bowen I think he's gonna find life hard in the prem. Used to being the main man, and championship football really is a lot less physical and slower then the prem. And he often goes missing against the better championship sides.

Prediction is he will be steady 5-8 goals a season player. He's not creative enough at CAM not physical enough for ST, meaning he will be on the wing cutting in and taking long range efforts all the time. Because decent fullbacks will keep him quite.
I hope you're right.
ITK said we had a deal for Bowen but JM blanked him in favour of Bergwijn.
If true then I sincerely hope JM is right.
There is also talk of cancelling VW's contract. He is odds on to be dropped from the ECL squad to accommodate SB.
 
Having been told some of the amazing shit they've had access too I have to agree Joe ... who the feck thought this was a good idea ... will reserve judgement until it comes out, the Sunderland fly on the wall was really good ... but right now I'm with you it's bloody insane.
How much did Amazon pay to make the programme?
 
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