Pretty sure that only works with a brilliant playmaker/regista lika Pirlo, Pjanic etc
Don't wanna see Dier there...
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Transfers January 2020 transfer thread
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Don't wanna see Dier there...
The club as a whole has been historically horrific at replacing players/succession planning tbf. Our shit squad building and recruitment long pre dates Pochs arrival.
True. One could argue that the Pirlo (Regista) example may be an outlier, as he was supported by Vidal, Marchisio and Pogba in that Juventus midfield, and by Gattuso in Milan/ for Italy.
Yep. I still to this day think Poch was on to something with the diamond, but he simply didn’t have the tools to make it work consistently well (we did butcher some teams using it last season, which people are quick to forget) and the energy it caused the team to expend was too much for an ageing group of players.
If he had prime Walker and Rose style full backs flying up the wings, and a 16/17 level Wanyama to anchor the midfield for it, who knows where we would have ended up.
But alas in usual Spurs fashion, it’s merely a load of ifs and buts.
- We lacked width.
- It was tragically easy to entirely bypass our MF.
- We were also majorly plagued by the front 2 + 1 all clustered up together centrally and making life a breeze for the opposing CBs.
......Everyone was knackered.
It was awful.
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There are no wingers in a diamond system. The full-backs needs to be machines.
I beg to differ.
.....If's and but, but equally what if he'd just played a flat 433 (which our personnel more suited too) instead?
...What if he didn't persist with it long after it was evident that it wasn't working.
It goes on.
We slaughtered Everton; not sure what other games you have in mind.....?
You can replace the outside midfielders with wingers, but they need to tuck in on defense.
Typically its the dynamic fullbacks, though, to your point.
Can you name one big player we have sold since ENIC took over we have successfully replaced?
There are, however, midfielders who, whilst very good defensively, can pass reliably. Like Liverpool's Fabinho, for example. Small things like switching the play. Harry Winks is lousy at switching the play.
The thing that killed the diamond experiment was most likely our fitness regime.
We all know that Poch put an extreme focus on fitness and had very few rest days for the players all the way into the game day. So when it was time to play the players were already tired and sore.
Even the eternal engine known as Sissoko complained about the physical strain that the diamond put on the midfielders.
If Poch had eased up on the fitness regime we could probably have avoided some of the pitfalls we fell into towards the end.
It has it's up's and downs like most teams.
Berbatov, Bale, Modric, Dembele, Eriksen, Vert, Hugo... All pretty major building blocks to the pre-Poch era.
I have seen a number of European clubs use the diamond system this season, and I don't think I have seen any wingers in the shuttling role, to be honest. If you could point me in the direction of some examples, that would be cool.
You might have a point but he did switch to 4231 which these players weren’t able to perform in either, so 433 in all likelihood would have been a dud too.
Battering Chelsea and Mourinhos United 3-0 are just two other games that spring to mind where we looked excellent in the diamond.
I guess what I am trying to say is that the 6 doesn't have to be someone who will just kick lumps out of the opponent and be relatively useless with the ball!
We will end up playing 4231
We got extremely lucky in that game. We got destroyed in the first half, and I think they missed one open goal with Rashford or Lukaku. We should've been down 2 or 3-0 at half time.
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