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But it's not the clubs going for it, it's the owners.
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But it's not the clubs going for it, it's the owners.
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Transfers January 2020 transfer thread
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3 million quid + Josh Onamah wasn't it?
“Tell Levy to delete our number and get a restraining order” – Aston Villa fans react to Spurs Jack Grealish bid
That Theo Hernandez is quite a player isn't he? Prior to this season, I thought he was just Lucas Hernandez's brother who was shite. Appearently he's even better. Cheeky bid at summer for a LB?
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It's true though. Ambramovic gave Chelsea £240m or so last year, to him it's nothing and to football it's morally wrong. Basic business and economics for you right here..... what usually happens when a business or a person spends beyond their means?
Unless their owners write off the massive debts in these clubs names, they will find themselves like most organisations do when they have too much debt. Chelsea aren't Chelsea, they're Abramovic FC merely wearing a Chelsea kit. Nothing that exists in what you see of them has Chelseas history draped in them, they are a scam of a club as are Man City. Plucked by a bored sultan and their history ripped up to appease them. Sorry but I like my Spurs still operating with the history of old players, old transfers and business down flowing through them. I'd rather come up short and still be the club Bill Nick built than the farce we see around us at other clubs.
That’s what I was thinking, Rebic has been dreadful for them.
But I’m watching the match now, Piatek and Ibra isn’t a good fit whereas Rebic can play anywhere in the frontline.
Great goal from Theo, he’s their top scorer, I believe. A left back......
And yet all those trophies City and chelsea have dont day Abramovich or whatever the family that own man City name is do they?
And the owners that you seem to so desperately want to defend in a conversation about everton wanted to send us to Stratford, he only this month was speaking about playing premier league games abroad-apparently you have to keep an open mind. Do I fuck. His plastered our kit and stadium with a shit red sponsor because nothing says spurs like red does it?
Look I think levy has done some amazing things. The stadium and training ground being two but I'm not sure I buy the moral high ground that tax exile joe Lewis holds over anyone.
Were in an era of tv companies paying billions and pricing millions out of watching football, we pay the highest prices in Europe to watch the team that right now is massively under performing under a chelsea legend so whilst I dont like chelsea or city there is no point pretending I'm not jealous of the success and trophies they have because in football morality seems to mean fuck all.
Theo is to them right now what Bale was for us
Rebic scores another one in the last minute to give AC Milan a win. Piatek is as good as gone, hopefully it's us who get him.
Sure morality doesn't play a role. And why would it. Football is subjected to the same logic and dynamics of capitalism as any other business. An there will always be an incentive to do anything that is somehow legally possible to have an advantage. That's what it is all about. One could say the fans could play a counterpart, but the reality is, that on a global scale the one thing that counts the most are hard facts. And I for one just cannot see any scenario to free football from the coercions of this dynamics. And I fear it will only get worse. Love football, but its hard to enjoy it sometimes. A lot of what is going on outside the pitch seems quite shallow.
That is why it is sometimes hard to see the positive in a more gradual way of buying success. Bit emotionally I am still very happy we don't just get any financial injection. But that somehow there is always the possibility of a club being sold and then being used as a toy for some absurdly rich family, or the other way around a possibility of a case like United and Glazer.
Anyway, COYS. Hope we won't come to the point of buying success in the blatant ways like Chelsea and City did.
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Each to their own on how they want the club theunsupport to be ran. Look into the Chelsea accounts if you want and see how corrupt football has allowed them bo behave. I love the game because of its skill, its craft and romance and I'd rather my club be run in a way that isn't reliant on its owner just wiping his mouth of £1bn of debt if it comes down to it.
These owners, the ones at Chelsea, Man City etc are getting their clubs into some serious financial chaos that will only see them salvaged if these owners don't decide to call in their debts one day. Basically put if Ambramovic of Sheikh Mansour don't decide to write it off as bad debt these clubs are fucked. Personally I wouldn't want Tottenham Hotspur to be at the mercy of one mans decision making based on such vast sums, I'd rather see the club spending its own money, seeing it learnnand develop ways and understandings of how to genuinely be and become a big club evennif that means we take a really long route to doing so.
Everything that exists now at Spurs is done in the Spurs name. All the debt, all the negotiating with the banks for the stadium financing, all of the current players can be organically traced back to 1882, its all organic from back then and I love that our spirit is still in tact. I love that the players I adored over the years and the spirit of that still lives on in the day to day goings on that we see there, for me it makes it more special than what it must be for be for Man City etc when players like Paul Dickov walk onto the pitch at half time. What the old players did for that club doesn't really exist anymore,mits been gutted out by a frivolous rich boy and even though they'll have more success because of it, for me it wouldn't be Spurs as I know them anymore and I'd rather stick to what I love than see us bow to the ways other so choose to do it. That's just me though mate,
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At the same time we were interested in Grealish, I wanted Van De Beek who was available then for £15milion. We sat back and waited and waited and now Van De Beek, who previously said he would be happy to join us is not interested in us.
Van De Beek is infinitely better than Grealish and was a fuck up of monumental proportions.
I have seen very little of Berge, so cant really comment.
I think it’s a travesty we’ve not sorted this situation out though.
Just mulling over our forward options.
Mourhino certainly like the traditional no 9 - think Drogba for example - and part of the way JM's no 9 plays is to draw opposition defenders to him allowing other players (Son, Dele, Moura et al in our case) more space to attack and score goals, so its not just the no 9 scoring by himself but his abilities to allow others to score which makes it work.
But so far Piatek is the only decent striker we are being linked with, and there aren't too many decent candidates out there. Plus of course as Poch said when talking of Morata (?) joining 'its difficult to get a decent striker to come when he's going to sit on the bench to watch Harry play' So whilst Piatek may be a Harry fan and prepared to share striking duties, there may not be too many alternatives to him. And no certainty of getting him.
I'd much prefer Piatek on a loan with option to buy - we can then evaluate whether he and Kane can play together (perhaps Kane playing a no 10 role) or not - but not sure if AC Milan are prepared to loan rather than sell him
But although its Mourhino's choice (based on his history) its not the only solution - think Liverpool with Firminho as their leading forward who at best is a no 10 rather than a 9 with the likes of Salah, Mane, Origo et al swarming around to score goals.
So I'd like to think we are in for Bruno Fernandes (but at £60m+ not sure he's actually worth it), Danni Olmo (but he seems set on AC Milan) or Jarod Bowen (Eze seems not to be moving until summer) - all of whom have their different style of playing but all of whom could add to our goal scoring midfielders - and if Eriksen leaves as is likely we are down to Son, Dele, Moura and Lo Celso, so need a reinforcement.
And bearing in mind our home grown quotas and with Eriksen the only likely overseas trained player rumoured to be leaving our best possible window would be Piatek and Bowen joining - but that really is dreamland stuff and odds are massively against both coming
Mourhino certainly like the traditional no 9 - think Drogba for example - and part of the way JM's no 9 plays is to draw opposition defenders to him allowing other players (Son, Dele, Moura et al in our case) more space to attack and score goals, so its not just the no 9 scoring by himself but his abilities to allow others to score which makes it work.
But so far Piatek is the only decent striker we are being linked with, and there aren't too many decent candidates out there. Plus of course as Poch said when talking of Morata (?) joining 'its difficult to get a decent striker to come when he's going to sit on the bench to watch Harry play' So whilst Piatek may be a Harry fan and prepared to share striking duties, there may not be too many alternatives to him. And no certainty of getting him.
I'd much prefer Piatek on a loan with option to buy - we can then evaluate whether he and Kane can play together (perhaps Kane playing a no 10 role) or not - but not sure if AC Milan are prepared to loan rather than sell him
But although its Mourhino's choice (based on his history) its not the only solution - think Liverpool with Firminho as their leading forward who at best is a no 10 rather than a 9 with the likes of Salah, Mane, Origo et al swarming around to score goals.
So I'd like to think we are in for Bruno Fernandes (but at £60m+ not sure he's actually worth it), Danni Olmo (but he seems set on AC Milan) or Jarod Bowen (Eze seems not to be moving until summer) - all of whom have their different style of playing but all of whom could add to our goal scoring midfielders - and if Eriksen leaves as is likely we are down to Son, Dele, Moura and Lo Celso, so need a reinforcement.
And bearing in mind our home grown quotas and with Eriksen the only likely overseas trained player rumoured to be leaving our best possible window would be Piatek and Bowen joining - but that really is dreamland stuff and odds are massively against both coming
I'm not sure what your complaint is, but in all fairness, the fact that you wanted VDB doesn't mean much if the club (and ergo presumably the manager) were concerned with a different target.
It's seems a blindspot inherited as a hangover from the prev. gaff's reign... Extremely disconcerting.
Absolutely baffling considering the "Jose will sign Matic" meme.
Apparently Wanyama & levy.
The deal was delayed initially because Wanyama first wanted to consult with his family in Kenya about moving to Belgium. Once he received his family’s blessing, the club wanted to fly him to Brugge to complete the deal, but Wanyama was nervous about flying across the Channel after what happened to Emiliano Sala, and opted to take the train instead.
But then Daniel Levy got involved, and that’s when things really went off the rails. The Tottenham chairman apparently tried to get Brugge to commit to paying some funds that Tottenham still owed to Vic, which Brugge balked at. Wanyama then tried to change the conditions of his personal terms, and Brugge backed away. They ended up signing Eder Balanta from Basel instead.
And what is the source of this ?
Taking a Eurostar to Brussels would take about the same time as a plane bearing in mind travel time to airport clearing customs etc, so no delay.
If offered one of Van Der Beek and Jack Grealish now, honestly I would sway towards Grealish but that's just me based on what I know about both players. Seen plenty of Jack, not a lot of Donny so I can't say for certain.
On the Van Der Beek thing. If we were willing to pay £25m for Grealish at the time and opted agains the £15m for Van Der Beek and £20m it was for Maddison to go to Leicester. Who do we point the finger at regarding said targets?
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True. At the end of the day it's buy fairly regular success or have no success. We chose the noble option of no success.
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