I remember for Barca against us he was unbelievable but has fell of a cliff since
Regarding Arthur
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I remember for Barca against us he was unbelievable but has fell of a cliff since
Regarding Arthur
Lazy prick. His only passion is making enough money off of football to go and party afterwards. Makes Ndombele look like the perfect footballer.
I'll never forgive him for how he behaved in the last 8 months or so here, but if he would be open to come here, would you take him?
I'll never forgive him for how he behaved in the last 8 months or so here, but if he would be open to come here, would you take him?
Miles better than the clogger PEH but his medical condition is a massive risk
Last great midfielder we’ve had from our golden Poch era
Would fit right in then
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I was wrong to say 30m. I thought originally (when I said it) it was 15m + KWP/Doherty. But it's equally daft to claim he cost us 3m. He didn't.
AndAirfixx - in answer to your question, what did I expect for 15m. Pretty much what we got. An unremarkable midfielder with some pretty big fundamental flaws. A player who is neither a great 6, which might have enabled players like Ndombele/Lo Celso to profit or a good 8. In short I think as footballer, without the ball he's a little bit better than Winks, with the ball no better at all. Obviously he's better all round than Sissoko, but I don't know a CM in any of Europe's top 6 or 7 leagues that isn't. And it also forced us to swap a HG RB who was better than than non HG shit one we paid 16m for.
It was just another piece of bad business all round to add to the abundance of bad business we'd done.
It's easy with hindsight to criticise the value aspect of Ndombele and Lo Celso, but I've actually got less issue with those deals - as/when we did them - because they at least came with some huge potential to be massive upgrades and advance us as a team. Which was exactly what we needed. Not more humdrum.
Okay, good we got the price part settled. Agreed that it would plain wrong to say he cost 3 mil. He cost 15 mil pounds, 17 mil EUR.
Also agreed with the part that he is not fully 6 not fully 8 and has his limitations.
But compared to Winks - I have to disagree. He is better with the ball and better without. I am not saying he is any kind of Pirloesque ball magician. And it might even be that his passing ability is not better than Winks passing ability. But Hjojberg has more courage to try some more adventurous things. This is well proven also by their stats - Winksy has played 6100 minutes of EPL football for us with 2 goals and 2 assists to show for, PEH is at 4700 and has 4 goals + 5 assists. While I know goals and assists output is not the most important feature of CM, then I rather would say that these figures show some attitude and mindset. To try something that influences the game more.
Defensively speaking PEH is stronger and more dedicated to put his body on the line. I think Winks softness on the one-on-one's and defensive positioning have been one of his major flaws of late.
What considers fact that we sold KWP and brought Doherty - that has literally nothing to do with Hjojberg. Those are individual decisions - PEH had contract running up, Soton did not want to use him on free and we were in for him from early on. At the same time KWP had been on loan in Soton and it made sense that they brought him, not anyone else. So we rated PEH, did not rate KWP and for some reason rated Doherty, but these are 3 individual decisions. Selling KWP, buying PEH, buying Doherty. All in all I would say that 1st and 3rd of the decisions were bad, middle one was good.
Getting even reliable back-up midfielder for 17 mil EUR in EPL is a very good piece of business. You can't have all superstars in the team - you need reliable squad players as well. And at that - PEH was EPL proven at the time. Of course this is hindsight but Lo Celso had not convinced even in PSG - from where we had previously took on Aurier and Moura who all in all were already been so-so decisions. And now we can see that Ndombele nor Lo Celso will likely never get the "EPL proven" label on them. We needed both - more steel and more creative potential. We got first for 17 mil but wasted 106 mEUR on huge pile of shit on the latter. So yea, I feel the first part of this was much better then latter.
Yeah. Betis plays better football than us.
They don't have Lo Celso, we have.
I do not like this line of thinking but literally- Betis is currently on 3rd place in La Liga (without Lo Celso)
And the last season with Lo Celso they ended up in 15th place.
I mean this same line of thinking was used to prove how poor is Hjojberg, because we finished season with him on 7th spot. So... yea... not looking good this kind of evaluation on Lo Celso.
It’s great that Eriksen wants to continue playing but I wish he’d retire, he was technically dead for a few minutes. He has enough money, sometimes it’s best to just walk away while you can
Winning a title last season is a good point to pack it in aswell
Winning a title last season is a good point to pack it in aswell
Least he won a title never would have happened at Spurs.
I do agree with you. I can't say that having PEH as our PL minutes leader would be a brilliant thing. It is not. But more than that it is evaluation of other options being poorer than him. Which puts alternatives (like Ndombele, Lo Celso, Winks and Alli) into even worse light.
But let past be past.
I still would like you to either confirm or rebut implications of your own words - are you saying that Conte is a poor manager because he picks PEH ahead of Ndombele and Lo Celso week after week after week?
Good point that, fella.
....We've yet to have it confirmed what "better football" is supposed to mean in this context too.
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Agreed.
Nice to see he has the hunger though.
Ideally he should be at home in their new mansion in Odense, enjoying his kids.
That, and sitting in just inside the front door with a cuppa and a shotgun in case Jan fucking Vertonghen shows up. Again.
Conte is a brilliant manager (for several reasons) one of which, is his ability to learn from his bad decisions and quickly make corrections.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/feb/03/Woolwich-chelsea-antonio-conte
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When has this optical illusion ever occurred, because standing idly at the edge of your own box and covering your balls before turning your back on a shot isn't what I'd call "body on the line". If he had put his body on the line we would have conceded a good few less goals.
My actual favourite in this is the Fred shot earlier this seaon when he stood rooted at the edge of the area, spread his arms wide then cupped his balls and turned his back on the shot, all the while Skipp raced from the player he was with to try and get a block on Fred as PEH stood shitting it.