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Transfers January 2022 - Transfer Window

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Oh fair my bad. I remember Alasdair Gold saying £15m and £12m

He did.


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That wasn't the original context. The original context was someone saying Hojbjerg and Reguilon were money well spent and me disagreeing with that statement - but agreeing that money hadn't been well spent in general.

I dunno what you expected to get for 15m.... Prime Busquettes perhaps?

To my reckoning we got what we we paid for.... A workman-like, EPL-proven CM.



....One who has provided better bang for the buck than either of the two over-priced fancy-dans whom you won't dare criticise.
 
Sorry mate, still not got the foggiest idea what Bale has to do with any of this........

You're dropping Bale stats for no apparent reason.
I'm painting a picture of the reality of our last PL season.

Anyone can Captain Hindsight.

Had we played PEH less and other players more, we may have had better results.
Sure, but that doesn't stop either of them independently nailing down a spot ahead of the allegedly shite PEH......
That's not up to them, that's up to the manager.
So it matters not one iota that they've under-whelmed over and over when they've played and displayed a lack of desire and/or ability to stay fit?
The only thing we see eye-to-eye about here are some of Lo Celso's injuries. I disagree about having any inkling into any other human's desire (or lack thereof). People have biases, it's completely normal.

Frankly, if I were a player as talented as Ndombele, I'd be annoyed getting taken off at 70 minutes every match for whatever reason, whilst PEH goes 90 no matter what's the score or what's happening.
Whatever the shortcoming it's all on the mangers? ....Zero accountability for the players themselves?

Sorry, that's just blinkered excuse-ism.

To be perfectly blunt... So f'n what!?!

We all know the cycle..... International break > mystery fitness issues > 1 or two cameo's for Spurs (typically 1 decent, 1 bad) > Back to Argentina... Rinse and repeat.

GLC 3 seasons / 53 EPL games / 2 goals / 3 assists. vs PEH 2 seasons / 52 EPL games / 4 goals / 5 assists.
What are their respective G+A/90 though? I'd imagine PEH has played considerably more minutes than Lo Celso.
Remind me again, which one is the limited so-called clogger and which one is the alleged 42m creative, attacking MF...... :roll:
Some might say there's this nebulous thing called form and it's a difficult thing to find when appearances are few and far between.

This wouldn't even be a discussion if we were good with PEH as a 90/24/7/365 guy, but we haven't been, and our last 2 managers (who relied on him) have been sacked.
 
We bought Hojbjerg for £15m and sold KWP for £12m.


I recall it being said Hojbjerg being a net £3m (£15m Hojbjerg less £12m Walker-Peters), but BBC for example thinks its Hojbjerg closer to £20m ish and KWP £12m

So a net £8m ish

So 'cheap'
I already did in my initial reply to you earlier today.

If you want to fact check re-visit TM (which you yourself referenced; albeit incorrectly).

They claim:

PEH: 14.9m
KWP: 11.something.m

You adding on the cost of Doherty is gymnastic twaddle.

Whatever Southampton paid for KWP doesn't reduce the amount we effectively paid for Hojbjerg, it just reduces our net spend in our accounting. We gave them something worth 11m. Our accounting for those two deals shows a net spend of 4m, but we spent 15 and gave something worth 11 - which we could have sold elsewhere.

We then had to spend 16m on another RB because we'd sold KWP.
 
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Whatever Southampton paid for KWP doesn't reduce the amount we effectively paid for Hojbjerg, it just reduces our net spend in our accounting. We gave them something worth 11m. Our accounting for those two deals shows a net spend of 4m, but we spent 15 and gave something worth 11 - which we could have sold elsewhere.

We then had to spend 16m on another RB because we'd sold KWP.

I think we are all in violent agreement

Spurs paid circa £15m - £20m for Hojbjerg - and for that money he's been a very decent buy being a starter for us in pretty much every PL game since we bought him

We sold Walker-Peters for £13m, basically as we (Poch) had criminally underplayed him for about 4 seasons, so for the experience he had it was a decent price. And yes we have had to replace him and paid more for the replacement.


Doesn't get away from the fact that neither Ndombele or Lo Celso's record of appearances/goals/assists since arrival has not been good, especially given the pair cost circa £100m between them
 
He did.


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I remember Ali Gold in a video specifically saying that their was only a £3m difference when Southampton journalists tried to say we paid £20mil for Hojbjerg
 
Gold says no money Jan - no fn shock. Levy just lies from one shocking disaster to another. Conte will throw in the towel and levy will do what levy does. Pay him off to be quiet and bring in somone else with the promise of funds which won't appear.

Levy the man who built the worlds best factory but didn't bother with the machinery.

Sold Eriksen late, will sell kane late, let Dembele leave, bought Sanchez, sissoko Ndombele, GLC and Bergwyjn..... How much?

I'm sure you'd be delighted had we sold all our best players at their prime! you'd be praising Levy to the rafters wouldn't you and not call him a "money grabbing C**t"

What's also funny here, is that you complain about selling Eriksen too late and then in the same sentence talk about "letting Demele leave!"

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Spend big!!! That fn twat levy won't spend until we sell, and he won't sell the duds he bought because the useless unkle fester cnt thinks he can get the money back.... Who would buy sanchez for 40? Bergwyn for 30 Ndombullshit for 55.... Newcastle hopefully, but I doubt it.

We desperately need need a MFr who can pass run and just make things happen. That's either money or a brilliant DoF....

there's a strange juxtaposition to your posts.........
 
I dunno what you expected to get for 15m.... Prime Busquettes perhaps?

To my reckoning we got what we we paid for.... A workman-like, EPL-proven CM.



....One who has provided better bang for the buck than either of the two over-priced fancy-dans whom you won't dare criticise.
We do need a player of Hojbergs quality to be a backup player. Real shame Ndombele and Locelso havent worked out like we wanted. A midfield duo of Hojberg and Skipp does lead to some very ugly football.
 
Disagree with this axiom.
and also Igula Igula and StevenPL - if Hjojberg has not been a good option, please come forth and say who should start ahead of him now?

Would we be better off if Winks or Dele would be starting in CM position? Honest questions.
 
As I pointed out, it wasn't 17m, more like 26-31m when you factor in the KWP/Doherty part.

He was an improvement on Sissoko, but that is saying incredibly little. I would have been. He has a good attitude, but I think we could have been in even less shit if we'd bought a midfielder with better mobility, press resistance and footballing ability.

As it was, we actually finished even lower last year than the previous year. Hojbjerg hardly catapulted our midfield into being good. He was pretty gash for much of 2021.

Is that first part from some kind of a dream? Or are you stating random ideas/thoughts as a fact now?
He had 1 year left and his price was 16,6 mEUR, that's it. If you have some credible sources to prove otherwise, please share.

It was reported everywhere and still stated -
Hjojberg transfer fee - 16,6 mEUR
KWP transfer fee - 13,3 mEUR

The fees might have been netted, meaning we paid Soton 3,3 mEUR, sent KWP there and got PEH in return. But if you just net the money owed does not mean the transaction value will change.
What Doherty has to do with this deal is waaaay beyond me.

I agree that there are better midfielders in the world. And we could have purchased better ones. But I am not sure we would have got any better player for that kind of a money.

Saying that "we finished lower after PEH joined"... that is some "wow" argumentation right here. Like you yourself said - he was improvement on Sissoko. Very tough ask that PEH would do 2 mans job in midfield on his own. And would transform our midfield all by himself. Cause hiding time is over - Ndombele is shit and Winks is not a starter. Up to now he has been very obvious first pick for midfield under all - Mou, Nuno and Conte - I guess that is all you need to know really.
 
Spend big!!! That fn twat levy won't spend until we sell, and he won't sell the duds he bought because the useless unkle fester cnt thinks he can get the money back.... Who would buy sanchez for 40? Bergwyn for 30 Ndombullshit for 55.... Newcastle hopefully, but I doubt it.

We desperately need need a MFr who can pass run and just make things happen. That's either money or a brilliant DoF....

For fuck sake, how short is your attention span ?

First of all - you literally blame him being cheap AND wasting stupid money IN YOUR OWN POST?!?!? wtf.
Second of all - just few pages ago I pointed out the money we have spent - 2019/20 window we burned up 180 million EUR.

"wont spend until we sell", yea right.

For like millionth time - lack of spending has not been issue - we have poured 340 million euros (and it does not include Romero+Gollini potential buy-outs from loan-to-buy deals; if those are included it grows over 400 million) from 2019 summer.
Problem is the return we have got for it.
 
The point I'm making is that I don't care if you don't see relevance about an unprovable argument...
We finished 7th with PEH playing every single minute of every single match... more than Ndombele and Lo Celso combined. That's on the managers.

Bale goals directly won 5 matches last season (vs Brighton, vs Burnley, vs Palace (2), vs SheffUtd (3), vs Leicester (2).

We only lost twice when he played more than 60 minutes (@ Brighton 0-1 + @ Leeds 1-3), and his 1.27 G+A-PK/90 over 900 minutes is absolutely incredible.

What's the value in 7th place? Is that factor taken into consideration?

PEH plays > Ndombele + Lo Celso = 7th

Wait... again just to be clear on your statements.

"We finished 7th with PEH playing every single minute of every single match... more than Ndombele and Lo Celso combined. That's on the managers." - since Conte arrived, minutes played:
- Ndombele 99
- Lo Celso 22
- Hjojberg 461

So I guess that means Antonio Conte is a fucking idiot and totally clueless (btw, he also played more minutes than Ndombele and Lo Celso under Mourinho, Mason and Santo)? Rather than that Hjojberg is more useful to the team than Ndombele and Lo Celso?
It is just that all those 4 are wrong and you are right, while their employment and reputation rides on who they play and what results they bring. Yet you know much better that Lo Celso and Ndombele are better picks.

Well that is quite enjoyable point of view...
 
Imagine putting Prime Dembele beside Skipp

oh Man
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I remember how much flak Dembele used to get from a certain section of the fans though. There were many who complained that he, 1) did not score enough, 2) did not create enough chances, 3) was a poor forward passer.
Quite a few fans don't seem to understand that the task for a DM is not to be the offensive spark but allow those players who've got the talents the freedom to express themselves and support them.
It's a little bit the same regarding Højbjerg (no, he's not close to Dembele, so that's not the point): he's a DM whose task is to support attacking players... NOT to be that attacking flair player, simply because he isn't that kind of player. N'Golo Kanté is a top class DM but you'll hardly seem him have much direct influence on the offensive.
 
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