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Transfers January 2022 - Transfer Window

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bus-conductor said:
XA which is a more accurate qualitative and quantitate measure of creativity, Lo Celso has the best XA90 at the club this year so far 0.47, (Ndombele 0.11), Hojbjerg 0.05. Last year Lo Celso 0.11, (Ndombele 0.09), Hojbjerg 0.05.

I think we are desperate lacking creativity. I', not saying Lo Celso could start in a CM2 instead of PEH, but I think we'd be a better team if he (and Ndombele) started as 8's with one of PEH/Skipp in between them in a 352, instead of having Skipp/Hojbjerg as a CM2 and Moura out there.
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Hojbjerg is being played as a DM (ie little expectation of creativity) , the fact that he registers on the same scale as Ndombele and Lo Celso last year tells you how bad Lo Celso and Ndombele wre last year in terms of creativity

Lo Celso has hardly played this season (about 200 minutes in Pl this season, about 700 minutes in total across all competitions, about half in ECL ) with his only assist and only goal coming in Spurs 5-1 demolition of Mura.

I suspect your XA statistics is misrepresenting his contribution because its based upon only a few 'easy' matches where he should be scoring excellent stats
 
VoiceOfThePoshSeats said:
Football fans are retarded. If shearer can go to blackburn. Eto and Roberto Carlos to Dagestan.

I dont think Vlahovic to Tyneside for a barrell of cash is fantasy is it?
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Shearer isn't a terrible example, but that was also ages ago. Shearer and his wages make him look like a poverty case compared to footballers today.

Carlos and Etoo were at the end of their careers, not entering their prime. They were looking for one last big paycheck to set them up for retirement.

Vlahovic will be able to negotiate a large salary no matter where he ends up. Newcastle splashing the cash doesn't really serve Vlahovic as much as it does Fiorentina.
 
VirginiaSpur said:
Shearer isn't a terrible example, but that was also ages ago. Shearer and his wages make him look like a poverty case compared to footballers today.

Carlos and Etoo were at the end of their careers, not entering their prime. They were looking for one last big paycheck to set them up for retirement.

Vlahovic will be able to negotiate a large salary no matter where he ends up. Newcastle splashing the cash doesn't really serve Vlahovic as much as it does Fiorentina.
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Shearer is just one example. Robinho and Adebayor to City is more recent.

City were not a great destination at that point.
 
Igula said:
It has already been pointed out that simple counting stats rarely tell what actually happened. GLC should be doing better there but he has provided so much more creativity than PEH.

I agree that none of the three should be starting for us. I don’t think Ndombele or GLC are the answer just better options than PEH. Ideally we will have 2-3 better options than all 3 of them by next season.
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You misunderstand Hojbjerg's role - he's not expected to be creative. He's played as a DM

Both Ndombele and Lo Celso have had every opportunity to show they can be Spurs creative players - and sadly failed on an epic scale.

Both Ndombele and Lo Celso failing to become established first team players after 2.5 seasons at Spurs despite plenty of playing time, tells us that they are very upgradeable.

Hojbjerg has played over 50 successive PL games he's been fit enough for, so he's a long way down the list of players to upgrade on - that's a function of how average many of the squad are.

ATM Hojbjerg is almost certainly in the top half of best performing players at Spurs over the time since he arrived, whereas Ndombele and Lo Celso are in the bottom half..
 
bus-conductor said:
And I didn't say Betis play "nicer" football, I said "better football than us".
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Fair enough.... Thought that's what you meant.

What's "better" about it then?

League finishes:

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Spursidol said:
You misunderstand Hojbjerg's role - he's not expected to be creative. He's played as a DM

Both Ndombele and Lo Celso have had every opportunity to show they can be Spurs creative players - and sadly failed on an epic scale.

Both Ndombele and Lo Celso failing to become established first team players after 2.5 seasons at Spurs despite plenty of playing time, tells us that they are very upgradeable.

Hojbjerg has played over 50 successive PL games he's been fit enough for, so he's a long way down the list of players to upgrade on - that's a function of how average many of the squad are.

ATM Hojbjerg is almost certainly in the top half of best performing players at Spurs over the time since he arrived, whereas Ndombele and Lo Celso are in the bottom half..
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Skippy has been the DM all season, not the fat chugger
 
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VoiceOfThePoshSeats said:
They'll spend their way out of relegation easily. You'd have to be blinkered to think there is any chance they get relegated.

They are the richest club in world football. In sports even.
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They may survive, they may not, and that doubt will put plenty of players off. I'd bet they'll finish somewhere 15-19th, it will be tight.

There is plenty of chance of relegation.

On top of that it'll be hard for them to attract top talent in January for all the normal reasons.

And even then these apparent big money signings have to gel quickly and have a positive impact while they'll still have a squad full of cloggers.
 
VoiceOfThePoshSeats said:
They'll spend their way out of relegation easily. You'd have to be blinkered to think there is any chance they get relegated.

They are the richest club in world football. In sports even.
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Doesn't mean a thing, they need to attract the right players first of all which isn't a given.

Best they can hope for right now are players like Tarkowski and the like, players that are used to a scrap down the bottom.

All these fantasy names being linked with them, Vlahovic etc.. lol do me a favour, they're a long way away from those players.
 
Spursidol said:
You misunderstand Hojbjerg's role - he's not expected to be creative. He's played as a DM

Both Ndombele and Lo Celso have had every opportunity to show they can be Spurs creative players - and sadly failed on an epic scale.

Both Ndombele and Lo Celso failing to become established first team players after 2.5 seasons at Spurs despite plenty of playing time, tells us that they are very upgradeable.

Hojbjerg has played over 50 successive PL games he's been fit enough for, so he's a long way down the list of players to upgrade on - that's a function of how average many of the squad are.

ATM Hojbjerg is almost certainly in the top half of best performing players at Spurs over the time since he arrived, whereas Ndombele and Lo Celso are in the bottom half..
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He doesn’t have to primarily be creative but he should be able to progress the ball much better than he does and allow us to retain possession which he can’t do.

Top teams don’t play with limited players which allows them to move the ball better, create more rather than just relying on one or two guys. That is what we should be looking to get to.
 
Igula said:
He doesn’t have to primarily be creative but he should be able to progress the ball much better than he does and allow us to retain possession which he can’t do.

Top teams don’t play with limited players which allows them to move the ball better, create more rather than just relying on one or two guys. That is what we should be looking to get to.
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Compared to the likes of Ndombele and Lo Celso, Doherty, Dele and another half dozen players, Hojbjerg is able to carry out the majority of his role pretty well. Not perfectly for sure.

But that's why he's not in the top 10 to upgrade at Spurs
 
Spursidol said:
You misunderstand Hojbjerg's role - he's not expected to be creative. He's played as a DM

Both Ndombele and Lo Celso have had every opportunity to show they can be Spurs creative players - and sadly failed on an epic scale.

Both Ndombele and Lo Celso failing to become established first team players after 2.5 seasons at Spurs despite plenty of playing time, tells us that they are very upgradeable.

Hojbjerg has played over 50 successive PL games he's been fit enough for, so he's a long way down the list of players to upgrade on - that's a function of how average many of the squad are.

ATM Hojbjerg is almost certainly in the top half of best performing players at Spurs over the time since he arrived, whereas Ndombele and Lo Celso are in the bottom half..
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Bingo.

The vendetta against him is unbearable.

We have several 20m+ players who are barely fit for the 25 man squad.
 
Shadydan said:
Doesn't mean a thing, they need to attract the right players first of all which isn't a given.

Best they can hope for right now are players like Tarkowski and the like, players that are used to a scrap down the bottom.

All these fantasy names being linked with them, Vlahovic etc.. lol do me a favour, they're a long way away from those players.
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I think players will look at the owners. Look at City and PSG and think, I want some of that cash.

Oil money has been done. Its not a hard sell anymore. Shit clubs have been turned around already. I think players will join. We will see.
 
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