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Transfers January 2022 - Transfer Window

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I’ve said this numerous times this window. It’s because we don’t scout. Those clubs do. Liverpool used to just use agents like us to identify and buy players but under Michael Edwards they stopped. We need to be clever, not just buy players off mates who are agents. Until that changes nothing will.

Read reports that Paratici is in charge of overhauling the scouting system...we brought in that scout from Chelsea recently so here's hoping we are starting to do that.
 
Read reports that Paratici is in charge of overhauling the scouting system...we brought in that scout from Chelsea recently so here's hoping we are starting to do that.



Any chance we can bring Eva Carneiro over also ....

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I like Romero a lot and would expect him to be the best of the bunch, but don't think we can stick him at first based on what he's done in England so far. I also think Ben White>Dier as a modern defender, and expect the future England squads to reflect that.

(Oh, and it's a real shame we didn't have Conte in place during the summer ... if we do then I think we end up signing Tomiyasu as a RCB and he'd be fantastic in that role. As a RB/WB he doesn't offer enough but he's a very, very stable defender.)

Then isn't it only fair to judge Emerson on the same basis?

As for a nuetral's perception (note: "perception"rather than opinion; as you have to question how deeply other fans watch oppo players aside from the obvious stars)...... We're just hyper switched on to Tomiyasu because of the "we nearly signed him" back-story. I bet he's a low-profile player for the average MOTD viewer.
 
What a waste of fucking talent though from those players. Still amazing to think of.

1 Dele was rated as a £80-100m during peak Pochettino years

2 Ndombele was in the French and Champions League team of the season, outstanding for Lyon and France

3 Lo Celso doing great for Real Betis

I don’t care who you are but 2-3 year ago you would never have thought all 3 would fail. Sod’s law.

I agree. The question is why each of them failed?
 
This was my problem with Diaz is it was not that I did not want him I did but it felt like there was no planning when it came to targeting him. Even in the summer transfer window there seemed to be very little planning when it came to a lot of the signings. With Emerson I felt like Paratici went to Barcelona to sign a player any player it did not matter who that was why we tried to sign Illax Moriba first.

Weren’t we linked to Diaz in the summer as well? I don’t think the bid came out of nowhere.
 
Sure but we are talking about this specific deal, not other deals

Liverpool had a deal in place to buy Diaz in the Summer so the agent would have let them know our offer, doesn't matter if we paid the release clause from the start it's ultimately down to the player who had his heart set on Liverpool.

Saying he would have preferred Spurs if we didnt haggle the price is just absolute poppycock, that line of thinking doesn't even make sense.

This was my problem with Diaz is it was not that I did not want him I did but it felt like there was no planning when it came to targeting him. Even in the summer transfer window there seemed to be very little planning when it came to a lot of the signings. With Emerson I felt like Paratici went to Barcelona to sign a player any player it did not matter who that was why we tried to sign Illax Moriba first.
Something doesn't ring true with regard to Spurs interest. Just go online to November of 2021 and you will see Liverpool clearly targeting Diaz for a January signing. The player himself wanted to go to Liverpool. So now we come to the last weeks of the window and Spurs big move is for Diaz? If they believed they had a chance they didn't know what the world knew in November. Was the front office so poorly informed that somehow they honestly thought they would get Diaz? Probably just a matter of Diaz' agent playing them to push along the Liverpool deal. Wasted time and one more failed attempt to wait until the last minute and pull a rabbit out of the hat. Amature hour work.
 
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Then isn't it only fair to judge Emerson on the same basis?

As for a nuetral's perception (note: "perception"rather than opinion; as you have to question how deeply other fans watch oppo players aside from the obvious stars)...... We're just hyper switched on to Tomiyasu because of the "we nearly signed him" back-story. I bet he's a low-profile player for the average MOTD viewer.

Maybe. But in the roles they've been played in Tomiyasu has been more useful to Woolwich than Emerson has been to us.

I also think Tomiyasu would be a better RCB than Royal. The latter is a very good tackler but Tomiyasu is physically a strong presence and much more composed on the ball. Helps that Tomiyasu did play CB in Italy, of course.
 
I agree. The question is why each of them failed?

Good question, my personal view.

1 Dele - Poch’s system suited him as it gave him freedom behind Kane, he doesn’t fit structure so much so was never going to suit Jose or Conte and I think he feels stale.

2 Ndombele - I just think he doesn’t have the work ethic, first season he would have 30-40 min cameos and take control of the game for us but as time passed it just looks like he gave up and I don’t think he suit systems where he is expected to do a lot of off the ball work, he suits teams that are heavily possession oriented.

3 Lo Celso - the strangest one, he looked good for 3 months under Jose and from then one just showed a poor attitude. No idea why.
 
Dele paying tribute to Poch in his outgoing message speaks volumes. He was never the same after he left (though we could argue his decline started while Poch was here). It says a lot about Dele's character in a way. He obviously had a connection with Poch (didn't we all...) and just didn't respond to any new manager since.

I'm not suggesting he was sulking or anything, but as a professional, he should have been able to move on from the Poch era. But I guess he's only human, after all...
 
Dele paying tribute to Poch in his outgoing message speaks volumes. He was never the same after he left (though we could argue his decline started while Poch was here). It says a lot about Dele's character in a way. He obviously had a connection with Poch (didn't we all...) and just didn't respond to any new manager since.

I'm not suggesting he was sulking or anything, but as a professional, he should have been able to move on from the Poch era. But I guess he's only human, after all...

Poch played to his strength, put him in attack and give him licence to roam and create havoc. We all see Dele in CM, he is slow and indecisive, he needs to be the guy behind the striker and given freedom. It’s the only way he can play, he is a very specialist player.
 
Poch played to his strength, put him in attack and give him licence to roam and create havoc. We all see Dele in CM, he is slow and indecisive, he needs to be the guy behind the striker and given freedom. It’s the only way he can play, he is a very specialist player.
Yes, very good point. The system is what can get the best out of a player.
 
Maybe. But in the roles they've been played in Tomiyasu has been more useful to Woolwich than Emerson has been to us.

I'd say that was negligible...... He's had a couple of early performances where he's impressed, but I've seen a decent amount of criticism of him as a RWB too.

Sounds a lot like Emerson too.

I also think Tomiyasu would be a better RCB than Royal.

IIRC, that was his bread & butter position until he moved in the summer, wasn't it?

The latter is a very good tackler but Tomiyasu is physically a strong presence and much more composed on the ball. Helps that Tomiyasu did play CB in Italy, of course.

Thought as much too (see above)..... Bit moot though if we're comparing Spurs XI vs Arse XI; position for position.

As for Emerson on the ball; despite his apparent weaknesses; I still think in term of his use of the ball there's a bit more to see from him if he can acclimatize to WB vs FB a bit more... Not like he wasn't reasonably productive in La Liga.
 
Good question, my personal view.

3 Lo Celso - the strangest one, he looked good for 3 months under Jose and from then one just showed a poor attitude. No idea why.

Ability aside, that initial stint showed a grit and work-rate that hasn't been seen since.

....Remember the way he fought his way into Jose's reckoning. To begin with Jose suggested he saw no use for him!

This leads me to feel he definitely quit mentally at some point since.
 
Yeah our strategy still needs a lot of work, people wanted us just to spend willy nily but I really don't trust the club to buy the right players at the moment, like for example you just know that anyone who is linked or brought by Liverpool, City or Leicester, you just know they're gonna be a hit because they all know what they're doing, with us there's always a question mark this needs to be worked on from now until Summer because it's imperative we sort hsis shit out, it's gone on for far too long.
Makes me think we would have made the same mistakes anyway in Aug18/Jan19: random pickups who either offer nothing or get in the way.
 
Poch played to his strength, put him in attack and give him licence to roam and create havoc. We all see Dele in CM, he is slow and indecisive, he needs to be the guy behind the striker and given freedom. It’s the only way he can play, he is a very specialist player.
Yes, very good point. The system is what can get the best out of a player.

Also, his skill-set requires things to be functioning well around him..... It's not conducive to him taking a game by the scruff of the neck and stabilising a team's performance.

(Which is why I maintained he'd have been useless at Nu-castle and think his time at Everton depends on if Lampard can steady the ship in general.... If he does, I think he'll see enough of himself in Dele to persist with him as part of his attacking plans).
 
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Makes me think we would have made the same mistakes anyway in Aug18/Jan19: random pickups who either offer nothing or get in the way.

Summer 2019 bar Clarke were all Poch targets who ironically we had been chasing over a longer period of time, we actually did some due dilligence on them but still got is massively wrong lol
 
Makes me think we would have made the same mistakes anyway in Aug18/Jan19: random pickups who either offer nothing or get in the way.

Our (Poch's) radar was on players like De Ligt & De Jong whom already had eyes for bigger clubs.... He was shooting for high grade, so-called 'sure-thing' youngsters to mold into his image (Also see Sanchez, Ndombele, GLC & Sess).
 
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