ENIC don't see it that way, they have no urgency at all.
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Transfers January Transfer Thread 2024
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Aha, and that second part is a completely different point that I agree with. We mustn't artifically conflate the two things though - msot would agree that we should have got another CB last summer, and hopefully most would agree we've been punished for that to the fullest degree with bad luck on CB injuries - but that's all happened now. My issue here is with people insisting that we should 'pay the fucking money' to get Dragusin here this week rather than next week or the following week (which I appreciate are both different, due to the United game).
If we weren't in the transfer window now, and someone asked me if I wanted us to loan Dragusin in for just the United game for £2m, I'd say no, that's poor value for one or even two games. I know it could help us to win the match, but as someone who works with risk & reward, I'd say the cost is too high for the incremental increase in our chances of getting the ultimate reward, a CL place. It would help us obviously, but £2m would be too steep for me. And that is what is being debated here - not whether or not to sign him at all, but whether to pay extra to get him in sooner.
But we had interest in getting a CL position which would still require us doing our job properly and not dicking about dithering.
For me that's why it's not unreasonable for fans to be frustrated that it wasn't sorted by the end of the first week in January.
By rights, the gamble probably should have cost us any chance at a title run but thanks to the coaching staff and players stepping up, it miraculously hasn't. You'd think that would be enough encouragement for the club to also step up its game.
All managers want new signings in early - they are not responsible for the financial side.
I'm not advocating going to the next person on the list - if we really want Dragusin and don't get him then I'll be pissed off too, but that seems unlikely to me - I guess only time will tell...
So this has nothing to do with anything happening this window… this is about our failure in the summer?
The context was saying we should spend X amount more to secure a player for a specific game. And in that context, yes you’re right - we can say that about anyone. That’s the point.
And why the fuck would we be asking for a loan?
It needs to be a permantent transfer, becasue we want Europe and to challenge on all fronts next season.
Only a clueless bald c**t like levy would ask for a loan in a position we are desperate to cover permanently.
Back then the consensus was that europe and an improvement in playing style and harmony would be a success.
OK.
it looks like we are close to a middle ground. Could start a whole new conversation about that second paragraph but instead let's leave it here:
The 3rd CB should have been done in the summer and not gambled on to cost us points. And to follow that it should be done before it adds risk to any more points and the FA Cup. We have already missed the FA Cup so we can ascertain that competition isn't as high priority for the club, now they need to make sure on UTD away.
Ah these threads never fail to amuse me.
Grown adults crying over made up tweets while impatiently screaming for something to happen.
Just chill mun.
Grown adults crying over made up tweets while impatiently screaming for something to happen.
Just chill mun.
He’s trying to get you to understand that paying 2m to get a deal done one game earlier is poor business.
I'm talking about Ange,not other managers he was very clear about what he wants.
Why don't you advocate going to the next person on the list if you don't want us to pay the extra millions?
To get Dragusin at the end of the window, would be unacceptable.
Here's the thing though, you or I don't know what 'overpaying' is, you're just guessing because you see Tottenham holding firm in a negotiation and stand on our value and you perceive that as us haggling, but it's already been explained that had we 'overpaid' it's likely we'd probably still end up in this position and Genoa would be asking for more.
It's just classic negotiation tactics, every club does it:
Have a look at the protracted saga's of Mudryk and Caicedo for Woolwich, Lavia for Liverpool, same patterns, same stances albeit for higher fees, none of those transfer got resolved by the way, or at the same time you can look at the Antony saga for Man Utd, Ajax valued him at £25m, Utd ended up paying £90m because they panicked
It's not exclusive to us, maybe because you're a Spurs fan and you live and breathe Spurs and most probably don't take into account other club's business but I can tell you we aren't the only ones doing this.
Winning the premier league should be this clubs goal every season.
Ange and the players clearly had that goal if you listen to what they say.
What makes you so sure we did wait until Jan 1st? That's just an arbitrary date I used in my imaginary scenario.
What incentive would Genoa have to agree a deal in advance of that? They could agree to sell him to us in November for a fee, what his form sky rocket and then be left kicking themselves for unnecessarily agreeing to a deal in advance.
Even now with the window open, given that he's on of their main assets, they would be better off delaying on the deal a) so that they can use him and b) because other suitors might come out of the woodwork.
As far as I'm aware, they're not desperate to sell, so worst case for them we look elsewhere, no other buyers turn up, and they keep a player they don't want to sell anyway.
So why are you here?
Oh dear, that seems to have gone right over your head...
I was providing an imaginary scenario outside of a transfer window open period in order to exmaine the 'value' of having a player for 1 or 2 games and paying £2m for that privilege. I believe the poster it was aimed at will have understood perfectly well.
No we did not, this year was about rebuilding the squad, point me to anyone who said that we should be aiming at a CL place at the beginning of the season...
Every club's goal is to win all their games mate, that doesn't mean there's a likelihood that it will happen.
Be realistic.