Surely we get him if we can? The bloke is class and better than Gallagher or Bentacur. Can’t understand some of you being so blazé
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Player João Palhinha
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I think you are severely underestimating RDZ and just how ruthless he is. He knew he needed Palhinha these past few weeks to help us surivive. We weren't playing the RDZ way but instead playing to survive and we needed warriors like Palhinha to get us through. He had to keep him onside. It would have been poor management if he told him that we were unlikely to keep him.
I don't see where Palhinha fits into RDZ's plans for next year if he wants to instill his own style on the team. He'll want ball playing midfielders rather than ball winners. Palhinha would be a very useful squad member but do we pay a fee to get him and keep paying his 200k a week wages? I don't think we do. That money could go towards a superior midfield target which RDZ would prefer imo.
Lets see what happens. My guess is we won't make him permanent and it'll be RDZ who makes the final call. I'll think he'll pass up on him if he gets the impression that the club are willing to go bold and try to get Wharton or Scott this Summer. I think Palhinha's insta story yesterday validates my opinion too - it sounded very much like a fairwell.
Wouldn’t he do the job Baleba did for RDZ at Brighton?
He is a totally different player to Gallagher and Bentancur.
But yeah, I think we should get him if the money is right. His mentality is clearly a massive asset and in games that we know we're going to be under it, or with 30 minutes left of a game we need to see it out he'd be great. But he shouldn't be starting games for us regularly as he has his limitations.
He could if we are just happy to finish midtable next season. But if the goal is to target Europe then I imagine he'll want a top midfielder instead.
Without Europe we don't need a bloated squad. Gray, Sarr and Bergvall won't be sold so they'll all be options. If we are signing Wharton or Scott then I don't see us making Palhinha perm.
He has the right attitude, he fights, lets keep him around. Might not be the perfect profile player wise but clearly good to have him around and important to set the new standards regarding determination and spirit.
Why will Sarr not be sold? I think he needs to move on as I can not see where he should play next season.
Sell Sarr and Bissouma, keep Palhinha and add one player who can dictate play and actually pass the ball effectively.
He's only 23 and offers a unique profile in midfield. I'd argue he's a very useful squad player and it makes sense to keep him for that imo. You only purchase Palhinha if he's a starter and I don't think he will be if the club are serious about targetting Wharton or Scott.
If we make Palhinha perm then my guess is we won't be signing Wharton or Scott.
RDZ's comments made it quite clear he's staying. A cut price deal will be found.
They owe us one because we helped them offload Tel.
What use is his profile though that makes him useful for us? I'd start Gallagher, Bentancur, Palhinha, Gray and Bergvall over Pape. Maybe we can generate some funds letting him go. Just can not see him getting many minutes with us. Very telling he couldnt make some match squads under de Zerbi who clearly rates Palhinha higher.
He's played 130 odd games for us and the only unique profile I've see is mediocrity other than on very rare occasions.
If it's a choice between keeping Palhinha or Sarr, then Palhinha every day of the week.
One thing I do worry about without Levy around is the ability to get good value from deals like this. We all know he would haggle and draw out negotiations to make things difficult, but in situations like Palhinhas it would be worth doing that so we get that cut price deal done.
I just can't see that same negotiation stubborness from Lange who seems like a total wet blanket to me. Hopefully he's not the type to pay over the odds when we don't need to.
Bayern may agree to a cut price because they want to keep us sweet in case we have another player they'd like to sign in the future. In particular a young CB.
Ive a great deal of affection for Palhinha, for obvious reasons, but do agree.
I dont think he is good enough to be a mainstay in the team we want to be, never have, and that hasnt changed.
Were we to get him in as a bargain buy, for the squad, for his mentality benefits and for closing out games? Absolutely fine by me.
But as a first 11 every week player? No, no thanks.
I said as much weeks ago, dont put too much stock into RDZs comments when he is managing a very compromised squad through a crisis.
Last kick of the season, immediately we can see how ruthless he is
I FUCKING LOVED RDZs post match press conference. No basking in the glory of staying up, an immediate "We have 10-12 players actually good enough, the work starts tonight...."
I do think he likes Palhinhas mentality, and I do think RDZ is looking a few steps ahead in our squad building - so I can see him wanting to keep Palhinha around as "the right sort of guy"
All of which is to say I basically agree with you, but can see a version of things where we do keep Palhinha as well
Assuming he wants to stay?
I hope he does.
because then we are still left with a lot of players for a season with no europe.
Palhinha, Benta, New (scott) Gray, Bergvall. We have Gallagher too who can play there, it does seem like overkill. I think in that scenario likely Bergvall gets loaned.