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Management Johan Lange - Technical Director

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I am genuinely gutted if Lange is still here beyond the summer and on top of that, making decisions about the future of the club and who to appoint to work alongside him as Sporting Director.

The season has been a shit show. I can’t believe we’re going to make things worse by appointing a clown from Dortmund.

We’re fucked.
 
StripiestPilot said:
What are we looking at Kehl? We need to find a new sporting director who is actually doing a good job at their current club, not someone who has just been sacked. We made the same mistake with Lange.

These stupid owners will never learn. It’s better to pay the money to hire someone doing well than to save a few quid on someone who’s unemployed.
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Kehl did a good job at Dortmund. He just wore out his welcome.

During his tenure their lowest league position was 5th. And in that same season they reached the CL final. At their best domestically they finished second in the Bundesliga on goal difference.

He's signed some duds sure. But he's also signed plenty of players that have carried Dortmund. Schlotterbeck, Nmecha, Ryerson, Anton, Guirassy, Bensebaini and Svensson. And some shrewd veteran depth signings like Sabitzer and Süle.

I don't get where the narrative that this guy has been as bad for Dortmund as Lange has been for us has come from.
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
Sounds good
According to local outlet Ruhr Nachrichten, managing director for sport Lars Ricken – previously a strong supporter of Kehl – was no longer convinced that he “could shape the club’s future positively”.
The main criticism centred on the club’s transfer strategy, which “over the years had become increasingly poor.” There was a growing belief that “BVB had lost their unique selling point of identifying and developing the next top stars early” – a situation which has “cost credit and trust among the fans."
Another local outlet, Westdeutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, has reported that Kehl was considered “too slow and too hesitant in his decisions”.
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Just fold the club and stop wasting everyone's time
 
citizenabel said:
Kehl rhymes with hell in the same way as Lange with Flange
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Kehl would be great to have at spurs
as player he was injured half his carrer
he would feel right at home here
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Herclueless said:
I think even that's being generous to him, ok Bergval and Vuskovic were fairly modest fees by todays standards, but he hardly "unearthed" them. Bergval was on his way to Barca before we swayed him, and Vuskovic was a 16 year old starting for a well known Croatian club.

He also spaffed £20-40m on the likes of Odobert, Tel, Gray, etc.

That's not typical unearthing young talent money, that's frittering away full blown first team ready fees on players that don't contribute to the now, and aren't even guaranteed to ever contribute.
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Ok , I was under the impression that he was a very good talent spotter that got a lucky break becoming Sporting Director for us , after serving as Sporting Director for Villa . He bought some good value signings for Villa .
 
Herclueless said:
Yeah spot on, he's been ok, which puts him a level or two above many in the squad, but I'd expect a £20m player to be able to meet that standard.

When you consider we could have signed Scott and Wharton for pretty much the same outlay, it highlights the absurdity of this idea of him being a great talent spotter.
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I’ve said that many a time about money spent gray tel whoever for less than 40M we could have those two in our midfield.
 
Shadydan said:
No sporting dir worth their salt wants to work at this football club and under these fucking owners, that's the harsh reality
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Yeah maybe Kehl is the best of a bad bunch. Although we got De Zerbi which proves money talks. Splashing the cash oh a top end sporting director is about as good an investment the club could possibly make on the football side.

Opinion is a bit split on Kehl but, even if you try to spin positive narrative, he got sacked and a lot of BVB fans don't like him and have serious questions about his squad building ability - which is the exact problem we've had with Lange.

I've tried to look on the bright side of these appointments in the past, but I cba to do it here. Maybe Kehl will work out but my sense is he'd be a middling appointment at best. People talking him up remind me of people saying the exact same types of things about Lange's spell at Villa "If you squint and ignore XYZ he actually did a really good job". No Villa fans were sad to see him go.
 
Timberwolf said:
Yeah maybe Kehl is the best of a bad bunch. Although we got De Zerbi which proves money talks. Splashing the cash oh a top end sporting director is about as good an investment the club could possibly make on the football side.

Opinion is a bit split on Kehl but, even if you try to spin positive narrative, he got sacked and a lot of BVB fans don't like him and have serious questions about his squad building ability - which is the exact problem we've had with Lange.

I've tried to look on the bright side of these appointments in the past, but I cba to do it here. Maybe Kehl will work out but my sense is he'd be a middling appointment at best. People talking him up remind me of people saying the exact same types of things about Lange's spell at Villa "If you squint and ignore XYZ he actually did a really good job". No Villa fans were sad to see him go.
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I think we all just have PTSD when it comes to things like this so naturally we expect the worst, in reality no-one really knows how Kehl will do but from the reports from Dortmund fans it doesn't sound too promising. Really I think what is upsetting people is the fact that Lange is still going to be sticking around, maybe there's need for some sort of handover but he should be losing his job for the state that he's put us in.

Worth noting that Pinto was absolutely useless at Milan and now he's smashing it with Bournemouth so I guess it depends on environment, expectations and working conditions so let's see.
 
Timberwolf said:
Yeah maybe Kehl is the best of a bad bunch. Although we got De Zerbi which proves money talks. Splashing the cash oh a top end sporting director is about as good an investment the club could possibly make on the football side.

Opinion is a bit split on Kehl but, even if you try to spin positive narrative, he got sacked and a lot of BVB fans don't like him and have serious questions about his squad building ability - which is the exact problem we've had with Lange.

I've tried to look on the bright side of these appointments in the past, but I cba to do it here. Maybe Kehl will work out but my sense is he'd be a middling appointment at best. People talking him up remind me of people saying the exact same types of things about Lange's spell at Villa "If you squint and ignore XYZ he actually did a really good job". No Villa fans were sad to see him go.
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It's not really though is it? Everyone seems to agree, inlcluding not only the Dortmund fans but also his old boss there, that he's a bit shit...
 
Rebrov_Likes said:
Great. Dortmund fans think he’s bloody awful.

How do these clueless fucks keep make running a football club look like the most impossible job in the world?
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Its because on paper he looks the ideal candidate.

Played the game and had a good career.
Also, already having experience of being a sporting Director at huge club like Dortmund, they were nearly very successful in his time at the club(runners up in league and champs league).

But looking at Dortmunds squad its basically 1/4 full of not very good Premier league players who hes bought in with a few good signings like Schlotterbeck and Adeyemi but nothing great.
 
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Skippa18 said:
Its because on paper he looks the ideal candidate.

Played the game and had a good career.
Also, already having experience of being a sporting Director at huge club like Dortmund, they were nearly very successful in his time at the club(runners up in league and champs league).

But looking at Dortmunds squad its basically 1/4 full of not very good Premier league players who hes bought in with a few good signings like Schlotterbeck and Adeyemi but nothing great.
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What will say is that Dortmund had to pivot because their previous model of just sweeping up young talent became somewhat obsolete with the PL’s draw and Chelsea and City’s multiclub model.

The idea of picking up and developing PL academy players not getting enough minutes was a good one. The main problem for Dortmund was they didn’t pick the right managers. Which is the biggest problem we’ve had too.
 
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