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Manager Jose Mourinho

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Cravenspurs said:
For me he is ignoring the lazy one as some call him. He is ignoring his chance to bleed some youth, like most of those top 4 teams are actually doing. He is somehow sustaining with Sissoko in the middle.

I fully stand in the "I want attractive football" camp because I believe it is also winning football. I loved Harry and early Poch. I loathed AVB, Late Poch and Jose. I started following the league in late Ramos years so that is my knowledge base.

I never wanted this appointment and still am steadfast that he is the wrong man to lead us through this time of extreme budget management.

I agree, we need a refreshment, but I think a lot of people here would have been more patient with a manager that has the desire to tinker to find a way to make this squad work and that also means playing an attractive style. We have a guy who will be fine with the ugliest of wins and will just continue to play that way because it worked for him in the past. He came in saying he had some new ideas. He has shown zero of that so far.
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if u build stuff you will understand what jose is doing.
Jose within three matches, stipulated sissoko is not one of his mdfield two, sissoko [limited] did not sulk, just got on with it.
Yes he could of given skipp, a few more games.

The defence, and defensive organization of the team is a massive problem with the current personel.
Once the so called modern formation of a back five is sorted, 'not including keeper' the team will function better.

By playing some players more often than not, regardless of effort, he is putting them in the shop window, for a summer transfer,just like he done with Erikssen upto the end of Jan.
 
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fruityloopie said:
if u build stuff you will understand what jose is doing.
Jose within three matches, stipulated sissoko is not one of his mdfield two, sissoko [limited] did not sulk, just got on with it.
Yes he could of given skipp, a few more games.

The defence, and defensive organization of the team is a massive problem with the current personel.
Once the so called modern formation of a back five is sorted, 'not including keeper' the team will function better.

By playing some players more often than not, regardless of effort, he is putting them in the shop window, for a summer transfer,just like he done with Erikssen upto the end of Jan.
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An Interesting insight. Which of the players do you think are in the shop window?

all is not lost for the season. I very much doubt we will get in to Europe, barring an extraordinary fuck up from Rodgers and his 'beautiful humans' at Leicester. Yet in a season of managerial change, injuries at important times of the season and a pandemic (which has and hasn't helped us, short and long term), finishing 5/6th ahead of Arse-nal, Wolves and Foxes would equate to at the very least a mentality shift and actually coming through on our moto 'Audere Est Facere' as it seems a vast majority think the season is over. It lies in the balance as we are just as close to 14th place as we are to 5th.

there are many players that should leave, and will.A refresh is needed yet the basis of that is there. personally i really hope Tanguy first of all actually gets some decent minutes and stays for a pre-season. Parrot was unfortunate to have surgery although how much time he would get is unknown as he is unproven. Sess seems like he needs a firework lit under his arse and we've got Winks playing out of position due to a lack of depth at DM.

I bloody hate supporting Tottenham sometimes but it's times like these that I can't smile without them as I'm quite excited to see what happens even if ENIC and Levy read this and feel nauseas.
 
sudoku said:
Three friends go out for dinner at a restaurant and split the bill, each throwing in £10, making a total of £30.


The meal only came to £25 so the waiter has to give them £5 in change.

Unsure of how to split it equally between the three customers, he returns £1 each, and keeps £2 for himself.


After the friends are given £1 back, so they have now only paid £9 each instead. That makes £27, plus the £2 the waiter kept, making £29.

So where has the extra pound gone?
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Levy pocketed it! :levylol:
 
MouraThat said:
Style of play is atrocious
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It's a very odd tactic that has us taking loads of risks in possession in our own half but then playing very safe passes in the oppositions half

It's the complete inverse of risk & reward that you would ever want

If we are just going to lump long balls forward we may as well do it without the 30 passes between centre backs getting closer and closer to our goal first
 
adasai said:
He was left with a dying team though. Its gona take a while to get back on track.
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Aren't most incumbent managers left with a struggling team? You want to see improvement in performances and a plan, after 31 games i dont think its unreasonable to expect something. In that timefrane you could see something emerging under Jol, Redknapp and Poch who all took on at least as much as a shambles as Mourinho, the first 2 a lot worse.
 
adasai said:
#FreeTimSherwood
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The scale of that bar chart tells you everything about the person who made its feelings toward Mourhino.

I think people are forgetting that at the beginning of Poch's reign, he was getting booed all round White Hart Lane to a cacophony of people saying that he didn't know what he was doing.

The reason being is that his squad was pretty pants and he had to play Jermaine Jenas at the start.

Given time he was able to work with players and lucked out with the emergence of Kane and Dele as well as Vertonghen and Toby reaching their peaks.

Give Jose some time - he at least has earnt that from his track record.

And for the record I've hated the football we've played but ultimately he's trying to find out what he's got in the players he has.

EDIT:Not Jenas as he left 3 months before Poch
 
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Sir Archibald Crooks said:
Aren't most incumbent managers left with a struggling team? You want to see improvement in performances and a plan, after 31 games i dont think its unreasonable to expect something. In that timefrane you could see something emerging under Jol, Redknapp and Poch who all took on at least as much as a shambles as Mourinho, the first 2 a lot worse.
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Our defending is a whole lot better than it used to be with Poch. We've actually lost a match 6-0 this season. Thats a combination of bad defending and weak mentality. We've given only 3 goals since the break in 4 games. (+ the dumb Dier penalty). Thats definitely better than before. If we keep improving at this rate we will be one of the best defenses in the country.
 
Gmspurs said:
The scale of that bar chart tells you everything about the person who made its feelings toward Mourhino.

I think people are forgetting that at the beginning of Poch's reign, he was getting booed all round White Hart Lane to a cacophony of people saying that he didn't know what he was
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In the timeframe and matches that Mourinho has had Poch had started playing younger players and we were on a 7 match unbeaten run culminating in the Chelsea 5-3. We could be inconsistant but it was obvious there was something there. We were poor for his first 3 months but you could see the players were fitter and on a good day the press working.
 
adasai said:
Our defending is a whole lot better than it used to be with Poch. We've actually lost a match 6-0 this season. Thats a combination of bad defending and weak mentality. We've given only 3 goals since the break in 4 games. (+ the dumb Dier penalty). Thats definitely better than before. If we keep improving at this rate we will be one of the best defenses in the country.
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Its easy to be better defensively when everyone is behind the ball, we've scored 5 (2 of which have been own goals) and conceded 4. Its not exactly stats that provide a ringing endorsement.
 
Our style of play is both boring and shit, at the moment.

Boring, I can deal with, provided it starts getting results. But boring AND shit sucks massive donkey dick.

That said, it is still Poch's squad, not Mourinho's and it's madness to not give Mourinho a full transfer window and season. I expect to see some improvement with a full pre-season etc though.

I'm not expecting us to challenge for the title next season, by a long shot, but top 4 and a domestic cup should not be beyond our capability. At the minimum, I want us to be absolute bastards to play against, and difficult to beat.
 
Gmspurs said:
The scale of that bar chart tells you everything about the person who made its feelings toward Mourhino.

I think people are forgetting that at the beginning of Poch's reign, he was getting booed all round White Hart Lane to a cacophony of people saying that he didn't know what he was doing.

The reason being is that his squad was pretty pants and he had to play Jermaine Jenas at the start.

Given time he was able to work with players and lucked out with the emergence of Kane and Dele as well as Vertonghen and Toby reaching their peaks.

Give Jose some time - he at least has earnt that from his track record.

And for the record I've hated the football we've played but ultimately he's trying to find out what he's got in the players he has.
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Taking over at the beginning of summer preseason makes a huge difference too.

You sure that's right about Jenas though? Thought he was gone before Poch arrived.

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Jensas out Jan 13
Poch in May 14
 
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Airfixx said:
Taking over at the beginning of summer preseason makes a huge difference too.

You sure that's right about Jenas though? Thought he was gone before Poch arrived.

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Jensas out Jan 13
Poch in May 14
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I could swear I was there when he played Jenas but the facts don't lie - I've probably mixed the Jenas thing up with AVB.

But Poch deffo got some stick at the beginning because I thought it unfair at the time.
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
In the timeframe and matches that Mourinho has had Poch had started playing younger players and we were on a 7 match unbeaten run culminating in the Chelsea 5-3. We could be inconsistant but it was obvious there was something there. We were poor for his first 3 months but you could see the players were fitter and on a good day the press working.
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Hardly fair - Poch had a preseason to work with and assess the players.

He also didn't have an enforced 3 month absence due to Covid.

I'll admit that at the moment it looks bleak, but unless you at least give people a chance then you're only shooting yourself in the foot.

If it's still the same turgid depressing football in October/November then I'll be less forgiving.
 
Blanchflower said:
It's a very odd tactic that has us taking loads of risks in possession in our own half but then playing very safe passes in the oppositions half
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To be fair, it's only risks in possession in our own half cause our brilliant players have a panic attack every time an opposition player presses them. They're drilled to know exactly where they should pass the ball but once in the game they just turn stupid
 
Gmspurs said:
Hardly fair - Poch had a preseason to work with and assess the players.

He also didn't have an enforced 3 month absence due to Covid.

I'll admit that at the moment it looks bleak, but unless you at least give people a chance then you're only shooting yourself in the foot.

If it's still the same turgid depressing football in October/November then I'll be less forgiving.
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He had a mini pre season after the break. The problem is given it will be another short break before next season starts i cant see what will change. You're right on October/November and personally i think that will be when he is either sacked or leaves because of a lack of transfers. So it will be another wasted season and difficult attracting any manager during a season....again. it might change, we might really start to look like a side in the last 5 games but given the evidence to date i think its unlikely. I take no joy in wanting a change if things dont improve and its not some deep seated hatred of Mourinho but sometimes you're better off admitting your mistake.
 
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