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Manager Jose Mourinho

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GDG said:
1) that’s not why we ceded territory. If you’ve followed Jose’s sides over the years, you’ll know he’s always been a fan of the low block. He’s never played what you’d call progressive football, I think even his biggest fans would agree. So yes, the reason Bournemouth dominated territory was because of Jose .

2) We didn’t press. We never press anymore. Lamela runs at players like a crazed man but a press is done as a team, and involves your defensive line getting progressively higher. Again, having watched Jose teams for nearly 20 years, he never does that. It is not a cohesive team press.

3) We sacked Poch because he wasn’t getting the most out of this squad. Just like Jose.

4) We all agree this squad has deficiencies, no one is arguing that or saying we should be competing with Liverpool right now. But look at the identity Arteta is putting on his Woolwich side in a similar amount of time with worse players. That’s the progression we want.

5) All the complaints made are also factoring in historical information on Jose. His decline has been evident for anyone to see for the last 6 years. He decimated Utd with multi million pounds.

6) This isn’t personal. I actually like the bloke when he’s on Sky or doing a presser. He just has 2004 tactics in a 2020 world. No top teams or managers play his style anymore, there’s a reason why.
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The problem with this, and much of the Jose hate, is that it is so much based on what he has done in the past and people looking to make what is happening now fit that narrative.

The ceded territory was 100% because of our inability to keep the ball based largely on unnecessary giveaways. It is why we struggled with it under Poch as well, because this team lacks players who can keep the ball and pass it effectively.

Yes you are right Lamela runs around like crazy like he has always done, his style as a player is an issue not the manager.

I think that was the thinking at the time of sacking Poch but it has become pretty clear that it isn't a case of not getting enough out of the squad it is the there isn't much to get out of this squad. Looking at this squad on paper and it is not very good, both from an individual talent perspective and in terms of overall make-up.

More of this Arteta BS, are you the same guy that was spewing this garbage previously? I don't get the infatuation, Arteta has not been impressive at all in his time at Woolwich, he hasn't imposed anything and like Spurs they continually make the same mistakes they were before because like Spurs it is a player problem they have not an identity or management problem.

And again the history is brought up. But I will, and have said, I have zero issue with firing Jose, in fact i think it is what should be done. I do not think he has been great in his time here and think that this is a bad style of team for him to manage.

We could have the greatest style in the world and it wouldn't matter because we do not have the players to be successful.
 
Guido said:
He has absolutely no idea how to get his teams to attack. The only tactic we have is to suck the oppo onto us in midfield then pass it wide to Aurier to cross that ball.

Imagine for just a moment what Ndombele could bring to this side, the ONLY player breaking the opposition lines all game was him in 2nd half. But leaving him on the bench is his ticket to Levy having to payout his contract. It will come down to it as it has done in his past clubs.
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Would've started N'dombele in a game like today. Ideal for him against a weak B'mouth side who weren't gonna just park the bus. Poor decision not to start him. Yep, I said as much, only tactic seems to be to get it out wide to Aurier and hope he finds his man. Nothing through the middle, no width down the left, no pass and move, not even solid possession football. Honestly today was one of the most dreadful and dull performances I've ever seen. Lucky not to fucking lose.
 
Difficult to make sense of that one. You’d have to speak to Jose, speak to the players and see what was planned and what wasn’t. For me, no cohesion through MF - lots of ‘headless chicken’ work from Coco; even in the most simplistic world, you pass wide to FB/ WFB who pumps in a cross (good or bad). If Kane is fucking around as an AM and Coco is getting in his way, that’s never going to work.

I think we mighthave a team believing their own press about how great they are and being found out. Need to stay in the right places and do their f’ing jobs.
 
Five said:
I am deeply suspicious that that's exactly what is going on, Guido 🇺🇦 Guido 🇺🇦 .
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He often gets a few irons in the fire, Ndombele is just one. But just look at his recent past clubs, everyone had an issue with a highly talented mercurial player(s) sat on the bench, scapegoating them. When he gets his pay off then watch those players fulfil their potential.
 
We had more shots away at Bournemouth when we played a half with nine men under Poch than we did today. Let’s face it, he’s not going to win anything with us. Best case scenario we fluke a League Cup, we are playing like we did the season AVB got sacked.
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
Heard it all before under Ramos and Sherwood. That its just the players etc. We need 4 or 5 good players but they're better than this and a good progressive manager will prove it.
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If only we had a good, progressive manager like Poch these players would flourish under him guaranteed top 4. No chance that with a manager like that these guys would ever be in the bottom half of the table.
 
Igula said:
The problem with this, and much of the Jose hate, is that it is so much based on what he has done in the past and people looking to make what is happening now fit that narrative.

The ceded territory was 100% because of our inability to keep the ball based largely on unnecessary giveaways. It is why we struggled with it under Poch as well, because this team lacks players who can keep the ball and pass it effectively.

Yes you are right Lamela runs around like crazy like he has always done, his style as a player is an issue not the manager.

I think that was the thinking at the time of sacking Poch but it has become pretty clear that it isn't a case of not getting enough out of the squad it is the there isn't much to get out of this squad. Looking at this squad on paper and it is not very good, both from an individual talent perspective and in terms of overall make-up.

More of this Arteta BS, are you the same guy that was spewing this garbage previously? I don't get the infatuation, Arteta has not been impressive at all in his time at Woolwich, he hasn't imposed anything and like Spurs they continually make the same mistakes they were before because like Spurs it is a player problem they have not an identity or management problem.

And again the history is brought up. But I will, and have said, I have zero issue with firing Jose, in fact i think it is what should be done. I do not think he has been great in his time here and think that this is a bad style of team for him to manage.

We could have the greatest style in the world and it wouldn't matter because we do not have the players to be successful.
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Why would you not take history into account?! That’s PRECISELY how you judge a potential managerial candidate.

And when we are boring, negative and lack an attacking identity, it isn’t hard to fit the overriding narrative. It’s true!
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
Heard it all before under Ramos and Sherwood. That its just the players etc. We need 4 or 5 good players but they're better than this and a good progressive manager will prove it.
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Every single player involved for Spurs tonight is a full international. The starting 11 had over 600 caps between them. Only 3 outfield players are 30+ (and they were probably our best players (not Sissoko)so age wasn’t an issue tonight). They look like they have never played together before and that is on Jose. Absolutely woeful performance
 
Problem I have is there is no direction
His only tactic seems to be to improve the defense , a defense which we would've lost with had Lloris not make a BIG save.
There's no attacking chemistry or ideas.

However I feel like Mourinho was always going to be short term and I don't really want him here much longer messing things up at the club. Much rather a Mikel Arteta type manager who has a good brand of football and a project like Poch. Will we even get success with these jurassic tactics ,nope.

United have taken a year to recover from Mourinho but they have near enough the same players
+ Bruno , Maguire , Wan-Bissaka and they are playing MUCH MUCH better.
 
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