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Manager Jose Mourinho

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Took Poch 12 months but you could see signs in the first season, i'm not sure what a project manager is. Surely better to have everyone pushing towards a plan than just hoping things turn around despite all evidence to the contrary. Whoever our manager is i dont expect top 4 next season.

The first 6 months of Poch was as bad as this, possibly worse. I know I wasn’t convinced about him but I didn’t want him sacked because I was fed up changing manager every 12 months. I think that’s why I’m not prepared to jump on the Mourinho out bandwagon. He’s only been here 5 minutes and had to fight so many fires. I guess I’ve just a little more patience than some.
 
Ive a feeling Nagelsmann will be our next manager. Don’t know why, just a feeling.

I would like it as he has shown he can have success and knows what he wants his teams to do/be but I am not sure he has much reason to leave RB for us right now or just hold out for a bigger job. He is the "hot" guy right now and maybe he doesn't want to risk missing out on a payday by staying too long but I think he would have his eyes on bigger opportunities.
 
What ever coach is in charge of these sub standard players will find it impossible to get the results we want. You can't coach poor players into becoming good enough to win silverwear.
When the re build begins and we sell who needs to be sold lets us all look at the buying team.
I will be amazed if any of them bar Kane go to a better club than Spurs.
We have assembled a shocking squad of players that don't give a fuck and have no desire
This same squad of players that were well-coached to perform better than the sum of their parts and as a consequence challenged for titles and cups constantly for five years on the trot!

It's the coach.
 
You are blaming Jose for Moura being a dumbshit. That is the kind of stuff that he has been doing his whole career with all different managers.

When does it become a problem with player rather than all of his managers?
I'm blaming Jose for not coaching any attacks (he never has). He leaves the attacks up to the attackers, his coaching is spent on team shape and what to do/where to be without the ball.

I want a modern, progressive coach that builds repeatable attacking phases through coaching. Like Pep, Klopp and Poch.

And if you had players that you thought were dumb why the fuck would you play them? Why the fuck would you not see that as an issue and find a solution to that and help them out by coaching them?

#neverhisfault
 
Right on fucking queue. This has just popped up on my TL.

This is a typical Spurs counter-attack, no one knows what they are supposed to be doing, we are the ones that are actually preventing the attack from coming off, Lucas here being thick as pig shit with his runs. But had we actually worked on having a trusted attack, with players knowing where to run this at the very least results in a shot on goal.



Starting 4 from now should be Lamela in the hole with Son Kane Berg all running off him.

Moura as an impact sub if that and Ali fighting Lamela for his place.

Get Ndombele to replace Sissoko if his fitness allows if not we are doomed to more turgid shit and braindead plays
 
The first 6 months of Poch was as bad as this, possibly worse. I know I wasn’t convinced about him but I didn’t want him sacked because I was fed up changing manager every 12 months. I think that’s why I’m not prepared to jump on the Mourinho out bandwagon. He’s only been here 5 minutes and had to fight so many fires. I guess I’ve just a little more patience than some.
Thats fair enough although dont agree about Pochs first 6 months. .First 3 months maybe, after that you could see we were getting fitter, we were scoring a lot of late winners and the Chelsea 5-3 was in that timeframe. It was frustrating and inconsistant but there were signs which we're just not seeing now. I find it inconceievable that Mourinho will last all of next season, it was always a marriage of convenience and sometimes its better just cutting your losses.
 
Thats fair enough although dont agree about Pochs first 6 months. .First 3 months maybe, after that you could see we were getting fitter, we were scoring a lot of late winners and the Chelsea 5-3 was in that timeframe. It was frustrating and inconsistant but there were signs which we're just not seeing now. I find it inconceievable that Mourinho will last all of next season, it was always a marriage of convenience and sometimes its better just cutting your losses.

I don’t see Levy sacking him until this point next summer. He will give him a whole season unless there’s an agreement to part ways this summer when we don’t qualify for Champion League football.
 
The manager is responsible for coaching what the players should be doing when without the ball (it's the only thing that I've credited Jose with since joining), it is evidenced by the fact that we conceded fewer shots on our goal, he has been working on this. This is what he's famed for.

It's not about being "bothered" I don't get why this is always trotted out in defeat. We were beaten by a better-organised team, a team that has been doing what they did to us all season.

We weren't organised in defence/midfield, which resulted in all of their goals. And going forward we didn't make it a difficult night for them on account of us not knowing what we were doing.

I get that mate but if José is instructing them to do one thing and they don’t do it on the field then WTF

I’m talking basics here not complicated tactics and it wasn’t just the odd occasion as it kept happening and also happened against Spam with Bowen missing a couple of sitters
 
Starting 4 from now should be Lamela in the hole with Son Kane Berg all running off him.

Moura as an impact sub if that and Ali fighting Lamela for his place.

Get Ndombele to replace Sissoko if his fitness allows if not we are doomed to more turgid shit and braindead plays
Can't disagree with some of those suggestions but regardless of the personnel try and reimagine that counter-attack if there was a plan, a rehearsed pattern of play, players knowing their runs, player on the ball knowing where that run will be.

Without that the same problem exists, the counter is likely to breakdown before a shot is even attempted no matter who the players are.
 
I'm blaming Jose for not coaching any attacks (he never has). He leaves the attacks up to the attackers, his coaching is spent on team shape and what to do/where to be without the ball.

I want a modern, progressive coach that builds repeatable attacking phases through coaching. Like Pep, Klopp and Poch.

And if you had players that you thought were dumb why the fuck would you play them? Why the fuck would you not see that as an issue and find a solution to that and help them out by coaching them?

#neverhisfault

Its not never his fault but its not always his fault either. The exact things you are talking about is the same problems we had with a similar squad under Poch. How many times did people point about how flat we were without Eriksen. How many times would we do nothing with Eriksen on the bench and the media would be asking how long until Eriksen comes on?

This team has been lacking creativity for awhile and had issues with poor passing for awhile as well. This is not a Jose problem it is a squad problem.

There are a lot of complaints that you can make about Jose but blaming him for dumb plays by his players (especially those with a history of being dumb) just reeks of people trying to find problems with a guy they don't like and probably didn't like before he came here.
 
I don’t see Levy sacking him until this point next summer. He will give him a whole season unless there’s an agreement to part ways this summer when we don’t qualify for Champion League football.
Yeah the agreement would have been sensible but think it unlikely. I dont think he'll be sacked this summer but think he will be in October/November because of results and moaning about transfers. Just feels an inevitability about it.
 
This same squad of players that were well-coached to perform better than the sum of their parts and as a consequence challenged for titles and cups constantly for five years on the trot!

It's the coach.
If its the coach why could Poch not continue to improve the team.
The more he spent the worse we got or have you forgot no league away wins in 9 months.
 
Its not never his fault but its not always his fault either. The exact things you are talking about is the same problems we had with a similar squad under Poch. How many times did people point about how flat we were without Eriksen. How many times would we do nothing with Eriksen on the bench and the media would be asking how long until Eriksen comes on?

This team has been lacking creativity for awhile and had issues with poor passing for awhile as well. This is not a Jose problem it is a squad problem.

There are a lot of complaints that you can make about Jose but blaming him for dumb plays by his players (especially those with a history of being dumb) just reeks of people trying to find problems with a guy they don't like and probably didn't like before he came here.
Who has made a bigger impact on their squads' style of play (NOT RESULTS BUT HOW THEY PLAY)?
a) Jose at Tottenham
or
b) Arteta at the scum

I think this is a good comparison as if you think that it's down to shit players then they can come into that category. They also have signed few players and have been below us for 5yrs.
 
If its the coach why could Poch not continue to improve the team.
The more he spent the worse we got or have you forgot no league away wins in 9 months.
Because like Pep at Bayern and Klopp at Dortmund the teams were struggling to deal with the intensity of the coaching and the methods. It needs to be refreshed to maintain it, there is a cycle in football. Fergie always renewed and was aloud to renew and he then kept it fresh and the players responded as a consequence.
 
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