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Player Kevin Danso
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We live in a world now where xG matter more than goals, and defenders who score goals are better than those who can actually defend
Danso better than Romero or Micky in the air. Did you see Micky vs Van Dijk when Liverpool had a free kick, hardly got off the ground.
Germans said he was poor in the air when we signed him. Looking at him he looks bigger than last season, been in the gym maybe a bit too much .
We need players who can defend not ponce around doing overhead kicks and getting sent off. I don’t think Romero is worth the hassle any more . Made him captain and he’s got worse.There is a 2 game ban coming Jan or Feb when he gets another 2 bookings to take him to 10.
Enough is enough. At least he’s got a few years on his contract so should get a good price. Need to shift him for the Messiah….some boy called Vuskovic.
I know it's Christmas. But people must really be careful what they wish for...
Let’s not. We need more football ability not less, just putting your foot through the ball or throwing your body in front of a shot isn’t going to make us a better team and there’s more to defending than last ditch stuff. Romero is very pro active, brilliant at timing challenges into the strikers from deep. He cuts out so much before it develops. Let’s see in the next two games if were better without him.
We need to defend better as a team. We don’t put enough coordinated pressure on through the pitch, same as you can’t really blame the strikers for not scoring goals. We don’t create chances
People won't have it you are wasting your time. Recieved wisdom is VDV and Romero are class fullstop despite the fact Micky is hopeless in the air for a man his size. He's worse than Djed Spence in the air, and Romero frequently gives the ball to the opponent if they just wait long enough they will make a big error.
I watched King and Alderweireld Vertonghen prime in the flesh these guys could go games without any errors. Its not even close and considering we haven't ever seen Danso in a full first team with an extended run I dont think that's the slam dunk the RODEVEN shippers would have you believe.
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I'd take a 7/10 guy like Davies - who isn't top quality but is consistent - over a guy who can vary between a 3 out of 10, and a 10 out of 10, depending on which way the rain is blown on a given day.
That's what Romero is. You can't challenge for any league titles if your best players aren't turning up for all 38 games per season, and Romeo has yet to complete a full season in his career, and of those he is fit/available for, you're looking at about 1/3rd of them being frustrating performances.
So for me, I'd have two Dansos over 2 Romeros, but everyone will have their own view. A scruffy overhead kick doesn't really add any weight to it
I want to be clear this isn't me saying they must be dropped or are shit totally. But people need to take the rose tinted glasses off . They are capable of really good performances and have assets that can be remarkably useful. But they fit a pattern of a load of our players: Porro, Spence, Udogie, Romero,Van De Ven, Kudus, Richarlison, Vicario. All have either:crazy pace, passing, aggression, recovery, 1v1 defending, shot stopping, dribbling. NONE of them are complete or even seem interested in addressing their obvious and manifest weaknesses. And because the showy asset our fans love them.
Interestingly enough and a big concern to me, I dont think any of these players would three years on be starting for Arteta or be beloved by their fans. At best they'd be cover. Because we all, even the shippers if honest, know what their downside is. The club and the fans need to get ruthless about putting an asterisk next to their fav and move on quickly to better. Start with Vicario but dont duck the hard calls be they Romero VDV or Kudus.
Interestingly enough and a big concern to me, I dont think any of these players would three years on be starting for Arteta or be beloved by their fans. At best they'd be cover. Because we all, even the shippers if honest, know what their downside is. The club and the fans need to get ruthless about putting an asterisk next to their fav and move on quickly to better. Start with Vicario but dont duck the hard calls be they Romero VDV or Kudus.
Then you remember people wanting to sell Vertonghen as he was making mistakes and people were criticising his attitude.
A lot of people wanted Kevin Wimmer in the team, sounds familiar. we started to become a well functioning team under Poch then everyone thought he was wonderful but you could still see his class from the outset.
I’ve seen it throughout the years, Kanoute, Modric, Dembele, bale all targeted for criticism and people wanting them to be sold when the teams not functioning. For a fan base that talks about wanting to watch good football we turn on the talented players way quicker than the bang average ones.
Which is exactly why I said I do not necessarily want them sold. I pointed out Vertonghen the other day with Nevile criticism about him in the tunnel. Think we got battered by six at Anfeild. But here's the big IF you over look. The improvement comes from the player wanting it and the coaches ability.I see little growth from Romero or VDV. I was in the stadium when Ledley King let the ball bounce for us to LOSE a cup final. In today's climate he wouldn't get the patience of the fans they couldn't get to X to racially abuse him quick enough. We sang his name louder as Nutter did when Danny Thomas missed a penalty in the Europ Cup final. Those were different days so your point well madd though it is maybe out of date.
I think every player wants it. Maybe some want it a tiny bit more but they all want to do well. I don’t think it’s about that really. Virtually all players need a good platform to perform unless you’re a generational talent. The last year we haven’t been able to keep the ball and our off the ball work has been awful for years. Fulham the other week passed through the pitch numerous times without any pressure at all. Players are going to get exposed in that environment. You put Romero or VDV in that Poch team, everyone raves about them as well. I’m sure about that. Do think VDV is maybe a little overhyped because of his pace. He does get rash and sells himself sometimes but in a well functioning team that would get ironed out.
I think we have to dismiss a lot of what Neville, Carragher and the like from sky say. They don’t want us to have good players. They don’t want us involved near the top. They’ve got their own bias and agendas. The thing I’ve learnt about them is they never criticise or try to sell our bad players. Trouble is a lot of our fans lap that up.
He's not. He's benefitting from Vicario Syndrome, where his overall game is so poor, that the one thing he's average at stands out so much as to look as though it's impressive.
He's one up on Vic though because he actually comes across as a decent bloke too.
Still had numpties calling him a League One defender in the match thread
He's just a defender - offers little else but being a solid CB.
IMO, that's better than having two CBs that want to fuck off up the pitch to try and score
He's reliable, strong, responsible and disciplined.
Only thing Romero has over him is passing range.
A much more stable option, which is what this team needs at this stage of development under a new manager.
Either we can look to build on this, or just throw it all away once Romero returns. I'm pretty sure I know what will happen.
The right thing is of course given Danso a proper run. He's deserved it more than Romero. And it will only get better, the more accustomed the team mates are to playing with Danso.
At least we fans were right. Our defense is better with him. We're reminded of this fact every time we see them play.
And romeros paasing? Just a BS excuse made up by his fans when his defense is so bad not even they can defend it.
The right thing is of course given Danso a proper run. He's deserved it more than Romero. And it will only get better, the more accustomed the team mates are to playing with Danso.
At least we fans were right. Our defense is better with him. We're reminded of this fact every time we see them play.
And romeros paasing? Just a BS excuse made up by his fans when his defense is so bad not even they can defend it.