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Ex-Spurs Player Kyle Walker

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For those who say he is home grown. What planet have you been living on? Have you ever even heard him speak? There's a clue in that accent. We bought him and Naughton from SU.

He was offered a shed load of money to go and play in the grim north. Don't begrudge him because of that. He's gone, fuck him, up the Spurs.

Poch clearly had a falling out with him. Let's see how well he plays up to the price tag. We are all well aware of the fuck ups he makes and his speed gets him out of it. Let's see if his speed is maintained in his late 20s.
 
superstaryid said:
Every other club seems to be able to drop 20 million on a player and put a better contracts on the table without selling their best players.
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Our financial position is declared every year for all to see (for those that can be bothered anyway). Our business model is a successful one that enables us to complete on a level above our financial peers.

Those that have an agenda against the clubs management will declare "I dont care about winning the money game - get some trophies bought!"
But football = business and to deny that is a misguided yearning for an era that sadly no longer exists.

As i've said before; dont hate the player, hate the game.
 
Techno said:
For those who say he is home grown. What planet have you been living on? Have you ever even heard him speak? There's a clue in that accent. We bought him and Naughton from SU.

He was offered a shed load of money to go and play in the grim north. Don't begrudge him because of that. He's gone, fuck him, up the Spurs.

Poch clearly had a falling out with him. Let's see how well he plays up to the price tag. We are all well aware of the fuck ups he makes and his speed gets him out of it. Let's see if his speed is maintained in his late 20s.
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You realise home grown means that irrespective of his nationality or age, he has been registered with an English club for three entire seasons prior to his 21st birthday. Not that he's a product of our youth academy.

Same reason why the likes of Fabregas, Clichy, Josh King, Coquelin, Begovic etc all counted as home grown.
 
Totti said:
You realise home grown means that irrespective of his nationality or age, he has been registered with an English club for three entire seasons prior to his 21st birthday. Not that he's a product of our youth academy.

Same reason why the likes of Fabregas, Clichy, Josh King, Coquelin, Begovic etc all counted as home grown.
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But not Dier

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mouse said:
Our financial position is declared every year for all to see (for those that can be bothered anyway). Our business model is a successful one that enables us to complete on a level above our financial peers.

Those that have an agenda against the clubs management will declare "I dont care about winning the money game - get some trophies bought!"
But football = business and to deny that is a misguided yearning for an era that sadly no longer exists.

As i've said before; dont hate the player, hate the game.
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not looking to pick a fight but our supporters should no way accept using 30 million of generated revenue from player sales to pay the entirety of another players contract for the next four years in any era let alone in the age of TV deals that pay over 100 million a year minimum.
 
It confuses me:

- We don't want some oil Barron owning our club treating it as a toy, further diluting our great game
- We don't want a cheaper Olympic Park as it's not our home
- We don't want to buy mercenaries who demand a huge salary, have no soul and upset the ship

But we get pissed when we operate to avoid the above happening.

Lets not forget our new stadium is a mahoosive investment that is twice the price of the Olympic park. Lets think back to how crippled Woolwich were for years from the financial investment in the Emirates. Those Gooner fans have a short memory, Wenger kept them competing with very little resource – the guy is a decent coach. It's now our turn and Levy has learnt a lot from this. He has a decent manager who can develop youth on the cheap. He has been shrewd for years building up finances to start the build, he has pulled off some amazing commercial deals to give revenue and keep us competitive so whilst we're not spanking £100m every window we're still sailing in the right direction.
 
superstaryid said:
not looking to pick a fight but our supporters should no way accept using 30 million of generated revenue from player sales to pay the entirety of another players contract for the next four years in any era let alone in the age of TV deals that pay over 100 million a year minimum.
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Im not either mate, its a friendly discussion ; )

You should look at the numbers, seriously.

All of you who feel short changed and think that Levy is stuffing handfuls of £50 pound notes into his pockets should.

Every time i've posted figures up here, they seem to be miraculously overlooked.

This place is a good start: The Swiss Ramble it can be a hard slog but the numbers don't lie.

You say that other clubs are buying players and offering contracts without having to sell first. Who are they?

They are either selling players to reinvest (Everton)
Are spending collateral generated from much higher commercial revenue than us (Liverpool, Utd, Chelsea, Woolwich, City)
Spending collateral originally generated by massive cash injections from owners pre FFP or from thinly veiled advertising deals. (City and Chelsea)
Or are in ridiculous levels of debt (Utd, Chelsea)

Also many other clubs aren't paying off huge investments which will allow us to boast arguably the best training facility and the best stadium in the country.

Long term financial security is not as exciting or as short term as ribbons on a cup, i get that. I would have loved to see us lift a trophy last year, and if the season was played again we may well of done.

But i am of the opinion that a few more years of perceived "stinginess" will be worth the unparalleled period of success that will come when we are able to compete on a even keel with the teams around us.
 
superstaryid said:
Still gutted and a bit shocked at the lengths people are going to, to justify this sale , I'd love to go to a parallel universe where Kyle came out early and pledged his future to Spurs and see how many would say Trippier is first choice, also can't understand people delighted with the fee when we'd be looking at least 25 mil for a vastly inferior player like Adam Smith and upwards of 35 for someone decent like Soares , Siggurdsson , Pickford etc going for ridiculous fees , 50 million is Walkers true market value in this crazy window and City should have been heavily taxed on top but weren't.

I understand you can't really keep a player if he really wants to go but it's absolutely galling to me he's been sold at market value to a rival , many are trying to convince themselves otherwise but City come out of this deal far better than we do , we have lost a player key to our style of play and they have gained the best right back in the league over the past two seasons all for a reasonable fee.
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SPOT ON - so much sugarcoating going on. This is good for City; bad for us.
Let's not pretend that Trippier - as great as he has been - is our first choice right back.
I'm angry - sends out an extremely bad message.
The first domino - this will make the press that hate us super happy
 
mouse said:
Im not either mate, its a friendly discussion ; )

You should look at the numbers, seriously.

All of you who feel short changed and think that Levy is stuffing handfuls of £50 pound notes into his pockets should.

Every time i've posted figures up here, they seem to be miraculously overlooked.

This place is a good start: The Swiss Ramble it can be a hard slog but the numbers don't lie.

You say that other clubs are buying players and offering contracts without having to sell first. Who are they?

They are either selling players to reinvest (Everton)
Are spending collateral generated from much higher commercial revenue than us (Liverpool, Utd, Chelsea, Woolwich, City)
Spending collateral originally generated by massive cash injections from owners pre FFP or from thinly veiled advertising deals. (City and Chelsea)
Or are in ridiculous levels of debt (Utd, Chelsea)

Also many other clubs aren't paying off huge investments which will allow us to boast arguably the best training facility and the best stadium in the country.

Long term financial security is not as exciting or as short term as ribbons on a cup, i get that. I would have loved to see us lift a trophy last year, and if the season was played again we may well of done.

But i am of the opinion that a few more years of perceived "stinginess" will be worth the unparalleled period of success that will come when we are able to compete on a even keel with the teams around us.
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I not saying I disagree with our policy its pragmatic and its brought us a long way but to expect fans to be happy with a minus 30 million net spend and try and justify by paying the entire contract of an existing player is surely stretching it a bit , I really don't think not selling Walker investing in a 20 million player and upping Toby contract 2 million a year after selling Njie receiving CL money and the increased revenue of a television deal after almost a decade of not having a negative net spend is really being overly demanding.
 
I have not posted on here before, so here gos.
I actually thought that Walker had become a bit of a liability half way through last season, could have course just been temporary blip. Something behind the scenes here for MP to play Trippier a number of consecutive times in preference. Walker might have been looking at 'the pot of gold', but am I dreaming that somewhere in the past I read that he was a MC supporter?
 
Citeh fans waking up this morning to the news of what their World record defender thinks of them:
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Walker posted this after the Scott Parker head stamp game.
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"All u man city fans u can talk now we will just see at the end of the season… was u all there when city was no where to be seen #gloryfans”.

Kyle walker tweet after we lost 3-2 to them in 2012.
 
Just think, this is the most expensive defence in the history of the sport:

RB: Kyle Walker
CB: David Luiz
CB: John Stones
LB: Luke Shaw

And if Mendy signs for City, he would overtake Shaw meaning three of the back four would play for City. Incredible.
 
superstaryid said:
I not saying I disagree with our policy its pragmatic and its brought us a long way but to expect fans to be happy with a minus 30 million net spend and try and justify by paying the entire contract of an existing player is surely stretching it a bit , I really don't think not selling Walker investing in a 20 million player and upping Toby contract 2 million a year after selling Njie receiving CL money and the increased revenue of a television deal after almost a decade of not having a negative net spend is really being overly demanding.
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Well firstly, i'm not expecting all fans to be happy with it, its a shame to lose Walker and people can ultimately think what they want. Personally i would rather have Toby in the team for the next four years than Walker.

You say why not have both? Well again i say look at the numbers; if you can squeeze any more out of them then you're a better bean counter than Mr Levy.

Financial results, year end 30 June 2016 29 March 2017 - News - tottenhamhotspur.com

Spurs published a EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Depreciation and Amortisation) figure of £63m in 2016 Thats money available to reinvest (essentially "profit"). This generated from a revenue of £209m that includes net profit from player transfers, commercial revenue and TV money.

So £63m to reinvest in the running of the club. Including renewing player contracts and new player / staff acquisitions. Suddenly it doesn't seem like an overflowing cup.

Add to that the continuing cost of constructing the biggest engineering product occurring in Europe at the moment which due to Brexit and other factors has now doubled from the £400m originally quoted to £800m

Tottenham reveal cost of new stadium has risen to £800m due to Brexit

Levy has already stated that he doesn't want the club to be hampered by huge amounts of borrowing to complete the stadium (as Woolwich did) so it's obvious that we will see a direct effect on the way we operate in the transfer window.

There isn't some conspiracy, Levy isnt Mike Ashley or Randy Lerner. Continually asset stripping the club for profit and doing the bare minimum (or failing to!) required to keep the club in the league.

It could be much, much worse.
 
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