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Management Levy / ENIC
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It's really not mental gymnastics to say that before ENIC we won at least a cup a decade. Sometimes two, or even three in the 80s and in the 25 years they've owned us we've put up one single cup in that whole time. It's not mental gymnastics its simple facts.
Before ENIC we weren't a trophy winning machine, granted but we at least did win something now and again. And that's before we were one of the biggest clubs in terms of income on the planet, before we paid the highest ticket prices in the country.
Since they took over our poor record at winning things has become worse. Not better, and certainly not even the same.
To claim otherwise is engaging in mental gymnastics as is throwing things in about how we sometimes reach a semi once every 6 years or something as if it's something to crow about.
The problem is, and this is not me defending them, but football has changed beyond recognition from the 80's
The irony is we probably instigated that change with floating on the stock market and then Sugar pushing Sky so he could sell Amstrad equipment.
The only club other than United to win at least one trophy in every decade from the 50s onwards.
Until ENIC.
Maybe we weren't a trophy winning machine but we were the 4th most decorated club in the country.
And we had proud historic records that can never, ever be taken away from us such as first English club to lift a major European trophy and first club to win the double in the 20th century.
We were also joint RECORD FA Cup winners!
Some of our fans need to show a bit more respect to our history
Okay that's fair enough, but don't tell fans who do put money into club i.e Season ticket holders or match going fans that they are happy clappers/levybots etc.
It's why I don't like the way John Thomas posts, it was after a match a while ago which I think we lost where on here he posted something along the lines of 'you're about as Tottenham as Arsene Wenger if you accept the way this club is run' whilst posting from his bedroom somewhere.
You've admitted you don't contribute anything to the football club yet you will moan about fans who are happy to go along with the way the club is run.
The money the club generate, creates money to spend on the club now and in the future.
And in every metric you use Tottenham Hotspur has benefitted from the changes. We're one of only a handful of clubs to benefit from an unbroken record of Premier league and TV riches for example.
Well. Every metric bar one. Success on the football pitch
I totally get and accept that. Which is why I said further up I understand and accept the concerts, the go karts, the massive stadium. Others on here deride those things but I understand these are absolutely required to match the clubs like Liverpool, Goons, United etc. When it comes to the off field stuff they've got us up there. I've consistently said that on here.
The problem now is... Well what are we waiting for now? We have a insane income and the huge stadium full of fans paying absurd ticket prices which sells out every week. We have the means to push on and yet we dither.
And I'm just not impressed with a faceless twitter account saying our ENIC record is on par with our pre ENIC record when it patently isn't like we're being gaslighted.
I dunno mate, when you get to a certain age, you take what you can get
What i meant was, football wasn't a money based game then. A lot of owners were in it for the love of the team they owned.
Now most clubs are run as businesses, us included. The only clubs that win are so filthy rich that it's just for shits and giggles now.
All that aside, we still should have done better than we have. A few more 2nd rate cups, a couple of FA cups are not out of our reach. If the likes of Leicester, Wigan, Pompy, Swansea etc can pick those cups up, so can we. So should we.
It's hardly a case of admitted. It's something I'm proud of. If we continue to put money in to this club and it continues to be a seriously profitable venture, then we will continue to fail forever. I refuse to support these owners who are delivering us stinking season after stinking season. Mid table mediocrity for perpetuity.
Haha, yeah ok ... because as the clubs revenue has gone up, so has our success right? RIGHT? We've just dropped our wage bill significantly despite making more money! We signed a bunch of bloody pre-school kids in the summer. How is the money you and others put in being utilised to further see us succeed?
It's being spent on hotels and other "assets" for a spreadsheet.
Not when you consider the wider context of what happened in football.
We aren't the only team that plays this game.
The sheer dominance of Man United and money coming in from Chelsea and City had a huge effect on our ability to compete.
For many many years there were at least 4 teams with much greater resources than us.
You realize, of course, he owns the stadium and has a suite. He can easily watch without subjecting himself to the crowd.
Billionaires don't sell multi-billion pound assets because the plebs yell at them.
Too many come from the, in my opinion, erroneous perspective that he doesn't care about results, either. Lewis may not, but Levy has labored day in and day out for 20 years at this football club. He likely (wrongly) thinks that he's the only chance Spurs have of overcoming the state of inequity in football. That the club needs him to maximize revenue, minimize expenses, stay afloat and continue to catch up with the pack financially.
He's not a good chairman, but I don't think for a second he's a disinterested one. He attends more matches than anyone in his position at a club of our level.
It's also unlikely that any oil state is interested in Spurs. The MO for oil state football purchases has been to buy cheap/distressed clubs. That's City, Newcastle, and Chelsea. Everton if they continue to teeter and come undone will be more attractive. Our PSR doesn't matter - the FA has shown themselves to be weak kneed in enforcing those rules against clubs with political pull, which is what the oil states have. 1 call round to some MPs and No. 10, and the FA suddenly finds other more pressing matters. The only clubs that will ever be punished by PSR will be the lower table unconnected clubs trying to spend their way up (like Villa).
Spurs would likely cost £4B before Levy would consider it. It'd take another £1-2B on players to elevate them to the level desired. £5-6B to get there.
You can buy Everton for £500M, with a nice new stadium, plow £2B into players and leapfrog Spurs with half the investment. We're simply not as attractive as some think.
Levy isn't going anywhere. When Spurs do sell, it will be him and an investment bank buying out Lewis. He'll die in the chairman's seat.
I do agree with much of this.
I don't think he's uninterested in on field success, I just don't think he has the ability or willingness to take the risks required because, and as much as we laugh at the phrase, is wary we would "do a Leeds".
It's why I do think it's time to sell up, but why I think he won't and nor will anyone come in for us. The pig has been fattened too much.
We won’t miss anything except a couple of Liverpool goals
You realise you just quoted a parody account?
Yep that’s a depressingly accurate summary and why I’m getting out in the summer. It’s a futile existence following the club while they are here.