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Levy In or Levy Out

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Shadydan said:
This is the test of how far the fanbase will push themselves, other fanbases will and have done this...I don't think this one has the stomach for it especially how far we've got in the EL.
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It won't happen because the majority of Spurs fan simply enable Levy. It's like a battered wife staying with the husband, despite everything, and him promising he will change, but nothing changes. You need to walk out to be listened to.
 
I see the CFT crowd who asked for a total walkout at HT this weekend, then changed their minds, then again asked for a walkout at halftime... have changed their minds again.

Hope the 'right type of fan' takes notice.
 
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MCSpurs said:
It won't happen because the majority of Spurs fan simply enable Levy. It's like a battered wife staying with the husband, despite everything, and him promising he will change, but nothing changes. You need to walk out to be listened to.
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Tbh I'm disappointed in our fans reaction to this, not that I expected any better but this is the same fanbase who make moaning constantly at the board a past time but when it comes to real action no one wants to put in the hard yards.

Just goes to show the only reason people joined the protests is because we aren't doing well this season, the moment we're on the verge of a final and potentially winning something it becomes a problem.

This is what I've always said about this movement, it's sometime-ish based on perceived bad moments...a protest isn't meant to be convenient or comfortable...the entire point of protesting is to show you're not happy at proceedings even when you're doing well - pathetic tbh
 
Ed Vanderlay said:
Not deflecting , you never asked me a question . However I asked you a question so surely you are the one deflecting .

Anyway life’s to short to argue the toss about this , feel free to have the last word
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You said something was conclusive proof because it fit into the narrative you have built for yourself around the club, the owners, everything.

Yes, when people are so entrenched in their views about something, everything they see, hear, feel, read, and experience is related back to their 'truth' about the world and reinforces their worldview.

Then, they project that worldview onto others, claiming that their single truth is the right one and paints anyone else who doesnt share it as the enemy, as having the polar opposite view to them, despite it actually being nuanced.... because they feel so challenged by their world view maybe not being as clear cut as they think.

Call it confirmation bias, motivated reasoning, belief perseverance - whatever you want - this dynamic is well explained and has been for many years.

And of course, you won't accept it or care, and that's fine. It's just fascinating seeing it in action.
 
dudu said:
You said something was conclusive proof because it fit into the narrative you have built for yourself around the club, the owners, everything.

Yes, when people are so entrenched in their views about something, everything they see, hear, feel, read, and experience is related back to their 'truth' about the world and reinforces their worldview.

Then, they project that worldview onto others, claiming that their single truth is the right one and paints anyone else who doesnt share it as the enemy, as having the polar opposite view to them, despite it actually being nuanced.... because they feel so challenged by their world view maybe not being as clear cut as they think.

Call it confirmation bias, motivated reasoning, belief perseverance - whatever you want - this dynamic is well explained and has been for many years.

And of course, you won't accept it or care, and that's fine. It's just fascinating seeing it in action.
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You aren't saying anything about your views/take on things. Maybe it's several pages back, but what's your take on Levy/ENIC and how we are where we are?
 
MCSpurs said:
You aren't saying anything about your views/take on things. Maybe it's several pages back, but what's your take on Levy/ENIC and how we are where we are?
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I want new owners, but I don't feel the need to make things up about our current ones. They have taken us as far as they can and their choices the last 4-5 years have been poor and not in line with the kind of decisions I would expect from people at the helm of a project and club the size of ours.
 
dudu said:
You said something was conclusive proof because it fit into the narrative you have built for yourself around the club, the owners, everything.

Yes, when people are so entrenched in their views about something, everything they see, hear, feel, read, and experience is related back to their 'truth' about the world and reinforces their worldview.

Then, they project that worldview onto others, claiming that their single truth is the right one and paints anyone else who doesnt share it as the enemy, as having the polar opposite view to them, despite it actually being nuanced.... because they feel so challenged by their world view maybe not being as clear cut as they think.

Call it confirmation bias, motivated reasoning, belief perseverance - whatever you want - this dynamic is well explained and has been for many years.

And of course, you won't accept it or care, and that's fine. It's just fascinating seeing it in action.
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I don’t see you or anyone else posting on here as the enemy.
 
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dudu said:
I want new owners, but I don't feel the need to make things up about our current ones. They have taken us as far as they can and their choices the last 4-5 years have been poor and not in line with the kind of decisions I would expect from people at the helm of a project and club the size of ours.
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Fucking hell, that's some project... 25 years and counting... makes the Post Office Horizon project the premium example of how to deliver change!!!
 
dudu said:
I want new owners, but I don't feel the need to make things up about our current ones. They have taken us as far as they can and their choices the last 4-5 years have been poor and not in line with the kind of decisions I would expect from people at the helm of a project and club the size of ours.
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Tbh I always felt poch and mitchell made us too big time for Levy to handle. We were growing at a fast rate but levy put brakes on. Imo he should have asked poch who he recommends as next manager and given him more control of football decisions.
 
The other thing that annoys me about the enic & levy lovers is they think trophies are so difficult & you need to be amazing to win one. Us or united will win the europa & have been rubbish this season. City or palace will win the fa cup without being that good. PSG or inter will win the CL without being amazing. In fact psg scraped through & had to go in to a play off. Newcastle haven’t been superb & won the league cup. Slot in his 1st season won the league with plenty of holes in that team. I don’t know anyone who expected them to win the title. In fact many thought they would be poor & suffer from losing Klopp.
Ten haags united was seen as useless & in just a few years won double what enic/levy managed & they have had 25 years. I fancy us to win the europa but obviously united step up a lot in finals so I am wary!
My hope is we win the Europa……
Enic/levy, ang & son all go out a high & a good note. We wipe our league efforts from our mind. & enjoy the Europa cup victory & CL qualification. & a fresh start with component owners & ambitious ones.
But I just know levy/enic will feel justified if we win a trophy & then double down on the shambles they have created. The levy fans will do the same. & the fans who were getting restless will go back to being easily pleased. So they get away with it again. Logically a europa cup win shouldn’t cover up the cracks. But levy lovers have never been keen on logic.
City bought all their titles & we can’t compete with them. Spending big is a waste of time etc.

If we win the Europa I hope people will realise we aren’t some small team. We can & should win things far more than we do under enic & levy.
 
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