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Management Levy out?
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It's quite clear he should let the football part to others. Here's hoping we get a director of football.
He is our own bald Erdogan.
ENIC need to go, regardless what people think we are failing under them, we might have a nice shiny stadium and in recent times champions league football on a shoestring budget but their austerity version of running a football club is starting to unravel before our eyes, the only people it's benefitting is them and the supporters are the ones footing the bill for the shit we are being served up on a weekly basis.
Mourinho was a gamble, a throw of the dice to avoid rebuilding an entire squad after Poch and whilst I do believe Mourinho will win us a trophy and is capable of it, I think to our owners his appointment wasn't a statement of intent, it was a desperate move to try and avoid spending huge sums of money and hoping that a big name who has been a serial winner will get us something to celebrate whilst they continue operating under a business plan that isn't fit for purpose at a modern football club which has serious intentions of winning things, or at least has supporters that want to see their club win things.
The problem is, we have a section of supporters who think ENIC can do no wrong because of the cult mentality they have built around their ownership, the "David VS Goliath" story they spin is an attractive one for supporters in a modern era of football that has been drowned with money but the reality is, this isn't a real thing, it isn't "David VS Goliath" because that would suggest we have intentions of winning things, our owners don't, they have intentions of making themselves richer, that's what this entire business plan is about, it isn't about football or the supporters or about doing anything possible to win, it's about their portfolio, that's it and it will NEVER change, doesn't matter what manager we have, what players we have, they will always put business ahead of success on the pitch, wake up to that reality and you will understand why a huge portion of supporters at this club think it's time for a change.
I give them credit though, they certainly are praying on the stupidity of people, in the same way a company like Apple manages to sell minor upgrades for huge price hikes every year to the mass hordes of idiots who lap them up with zero thought.
Mourinho was a gamble, a throw of the dice to avoid rebuilding an entire squad after Poch and whilst I do believe Mourinho will win us a trophy and is capable of it, I think to our owners his appointment wasn't a statement of intent, it was a desperate move to try and avoid spending huge sums of money and hoping that a big name who has been a serial winner will get us something to celebrate whilst they continue operating under a business plan that isn't fit for purpose at a modern football club which has serious intentions of winning things, or at least has supporters that want to see their club win things.
The problem is, we have a section of supporters who think ENIC can do no wrong because of the cult mentality they have built around their ownership, the "David VS Goliath" story they spin is an attractive one for supporters in a modern era of football that has been drowned with money but the reality is, this isn't a real thing, it isn't "David VS Goliath" because that would suggest we have intentions of winning things, our owners don't, they have intentions of making themselves richer, that's what this entire business plan is about, it isn't about football or the supporters or about doing anything possible to win, it's about their portfolio, that's it and it will NEVER change, doesn't matter what manager we have, what players we have, they will always put business ahead of success on the pitch, wake up to that reality and you will understand why a huge portion of supporters at this club think it's time for a change.
I give them credit though, they certainly are praying on the stupidity of people, in the same way a company like Apple manages to sell minor upgrades for huge price hikes every year to the mass hordes of idiots who lap them up with zero thought.
A round of applause please for November 2017s, CEO of the Year at the Football Business Awards!
Put that one in the cabinet right next to the 2008 Carling Cup.
"CEO OF THE YEAR, ......YOU'LL NEVER SING THAT
Fuckin hell"CEO OF THE YEAR, ......YOU'LL NEVER SING THAT
£215m spent in the last 2 windows ain't bad.
I never posted on this thread because, well, Levy can never go.
ENIC owns the club so there’s no way of forcing out Levy & Lewis! Hence the thread is a bit pointless to be honest, I think it would have been better to ask if we are satisfied with ENIC or not.
As far as I am concerned, I am relatively satisfied with how the club is run in comparison to how it was under Sugar. We’re incredibly stable financially, our results have improved since those dark days of the late 90s and my overall experience as a fan has been pretty darn good ever since they took over.
However, I do feel some sense of disappointment with ENIC in recent times, mainly because I see other examples of clubs being better run and I think I have a better idea of what ENIC wants to achieve, which is definitely not in line with what the fans want.
We’ve been so incredibly close to reaching the top in the last few years. In each of those situations, ENIC’s decision has been to continue with what we have rather than push for the extra pieces so that they could push us all the way to the top. Look at Liverpool. When their results improved under Klopp and they came within reaching distance of the top, they went out and spent to make sure the team would become even stronger.
Not so with ENIC! And that goes to show what they want to achieve is very different to what we want to see achieved as fans. They are not interested in winning. What they want is a team that performs well and sits in the upper half of the PL. Unlike Liverpool for example, they are not interested in increasing revenue by building a great team and garnering more fans and selling more merchandise.
The way ENIC wants to make money, I am guessing, is by building a team that is attractive to potential buyers so that they could sell it for the highest possible price and they could wash us off their hands. That doesn’t need to be a winning team, it just needs to be a team that is not in danger of dropping out of the PL, is competing in Europe and is capable of getting results with a little more investment (which ENIC itself is unwilling to make) and doesn’t have long term financial spendings that are necessary such as a new stadium.
We won’t win anything with ENIC because investing the money to win is not in their interest. They just want us to be glossy and attractive to potential buyers. And my guess is a new owner would turn up sometime soon rather than later. And that‘s a shame personally, because I like the fact that we are not owned by some dodgy Russian billionaire or some country with very questionable human rights issues.
ENIC owns the club so there’s no way of forcing out Levy & Lewis! Hence the thread is a bit pointless to be honest, I think it would have been better to ask if we are satisfied with ENIC or not.
As far as I am concerned, I am relatively satisfied with how the club is run in comparison to how it was under Sugar. We’re incredibly stable financially, our results have improved since those dark days of the late 90s and my overall experience as a fan has been pretty darn good ever since they took over.
However, I do feel some sense of disappointment with ENIC in recent times, mainly because I see other examples of clubs being better run and I think I have a better idea of what ENIC wants to achieve, which is definitely not in line with what the fans want.
We’ve been so incredibly close to reaching the top in the last few years. In each of those situations, ENIC’s decision has been to continue with what we have rather than push for the extra pieces so that they could push us all the way to the top. Look at Liverpool. When their results improved under Klopp and they came within reaching distance of the top, they went out and spent to make sure the team would become even stronger.
Not so with ENIC! And that goes to show what they want to achieve is very different to what we want to see achieved as fans. They are not interested in winning. What they want is a team that performs well and sits in the upper half of the PL. Unlike Liverpool for example, they are not interested in increasing revenue by building a great team and garnering more fans and selling more merchandise.
The way ENIC wants to make money, I am guessing, is by building a team that is attractive to potential buyers so that they could sell it for the highest possible price and they could wash us off their hands. That doesn’t need to be a winning team, it just needs to be a team that is not in danger of dropping out of the PL, is competing in Europe and is capable of getting results with a little more investment (which ENIC itself is unwilling to make) and doesn’t have long term financial spendings that are necessary such as a new stadium.
We won’t win anything with ENIC because investing the money to win is not in their interest. They just want us to be glossy and attractive to potential buyers. And my guess is a new owner would turn up sometime soon rather than later. And that‘s a shame personally, because I like the fact that we are not owned by some dodgy Russian billionaire or some country with very questionable human rights issues.
Comparisons to Sugar are always odd to me.
That bar is so low you can practically step over it!
That bar is so low you can practically step over it!
It's also comparing two completely different era's.
There's 100 x the money in the game than there was in the 90's.
I’m amazed people think Levy is picking our transfer targets
The only exception I'll take with this otherwise refreshingly measured post is this. You don't see other examples of clubs being better run, you see AN example of A club being run better - Liverpool. No other club run on sound financials has beaten us. City are doped, Chelsea are doped, we've passed up woolwich and United (who have ridiculous money comparatively).
Liverpool sold 2 golden gooses, nicked the right manager, and reinvested that wealth better than we did with the Bale money. They also benefitted that their window of big investment came with fortunate timing with downturns of fortune at many traditionally strong clubs.
I think he has the final say.I’m amazed people think Levy is picking our transfer targets
And unless it's an extremely cheap no risk punt, his overriding criteria will be future resale value, rather than immediate impact on the team or addressing gaping flaws in the squad.
As generally agreed by most, he's an extremely successful business man. There's a reason why.
Of course he has the final say. He’s in charge of our financial well being.
Maybe we could have spunked money we don’t have and get banned from the CL but thankfully we are self sufficient.
However it’s not Levys job to force Poch or Jose to target a DM or striker and if the manager doesn’t want a player it’s not Levys job to buy that later regardless.
Case in point:
Jose didn’t want Piatek without a loan.
We didn’t buy Piatek.
That’s about it really.
How many times have we broken our transfer record under Levy in the last few years
But apparently he's a tight bald cunt
The men with the money always have the final say in any business though. Why is it only Levy that gets it in the neck?
To be a successful football club you need to ensure you're a successfully run business. That involves both the financial and footballing side. Can anyone really say that world record profits, the most money spent on incomings in a season and reaching the Champions League final, as well as securing top 4, our previous transfer record surpassed by TWO different signings in the same year and a domestic semi final where we went out on penalties doesn't have positive signs? All of these has happened in the last 12-13 months.
The ship is rocking, we steadied it with a new manager coming in and getting 12 wins and 5 draws and 4 losses from his opening 21 games prior to Sonny being ruled out.
How many PL clubs haven't broken their transfer record in the last few years?
Let's see how many you can name.