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Ex-Spurs Player Lucas Moura

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I can help you. Marielle Franco was a political activist and congressperson in Rio de Janeiro, he standend for LGBT's rights and against the private militas that control most of the favelas in Rio. He was murdered for his political convictions probably by a militia group, that's extremely close to the Bolsonaro family. In the investigation was even discovered that hours beforte the crime one of the killers visited the house of one of the miltia's group, that happened to be at the same private condominium Bolsonaro family lives and he was supposed to franchise entry for the killer (stated by the doorman in his testimonial).

If you get deeper in this investigation you will find a lot of sad coincidences envolving Bolsonaro's family in this case and since it happened the majority of his supporters enganged in campaing to defame Marielle. By the way I see nothing wrong with legalize abortation, drugs and gender studies.

Olavo de Carvalho, was a mastermind behind the Bolsonaro's rally for president, he basically created most of the far-right wing ideology behind Bolsonaro's. He was like a guru for the base of the president. I won't give my opinion on him as you probably can take you own conclusion by a rapid search. I can say that was only the second time Bosonaro decreed official mourining since the start of his government and he seemed more shake than with his mom's death, that happened a week before.
Alright, thanks for the context. Bolsanaro always seemed like a scumbag to me but at the same time you are limited to two extremes in Brazil. Either you want to go back to Lulas party or you vote for Bolsanaro.
But of course some people will have an issue with Lucas views, that's just the way it is. It's just ironic when they rationalize it with their own moral superiority and their hate for intolerance. :rolleyes:
 
Alright, thanks for the context. Bolsanaro always seemed like a scumbag to me but at the same time you are limited to two extremes in Brazil. Either you want to go back to Lulas party or you vote for Bolsanaro.
But of course some people will have an issue with Lucas views, that's just the way it is. It's just ironic when they rationalize it with their own moral superiority and their hate for intolerance. :rolleyes:
By now the dispute will be between those, no doubt. But Lula's party is no extremist as Bolsonaro's one, in fact it's not even a discussion about party with Bolsonaro, he's the party, he was elected by PSL, got out of them for like 2 years and now he entered the PL. He's the ideology, more than the party, he's bigger than them, it's almost like a cult of personality. As you can see, after 3 years of his government his popularity is between 22/25%, that's due to the extremism he represented and is probably a close number of votes that far-right receive either in France or in Germany, so pretty much it show in what spectrum he is.

Labour party had his problems, more with Dilma I would say, but they aren't extremist, more to the centre-right during the last years of his government and probably they will made a union with the PSD now, whom is at the centre spectre and probably the vice president of Lula will be Geraldo Alckmin, who onced run for president for PSDB, historical opponent of the Labour's Party.
 
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Alright, thanks for the context. Bolsanaro always seemed like a scumbag to me but at the same time you are limited to two extremes in Brazil. Either you want to go back to Lulas party or you vote for Bolsanaro.
But of course some people will have an issue with Lucas views, that's just the way it is. It's just ironic when they rationalize it with their own moral superiority and their hate for intolerance. :rolleyes:
There is a difference between voting and endorsing and Moura endorsed him.

Btw you answered to a post where the poster explained the political murder (the context of the liked twitter post), the apparent involvement the circle of the politician (Bolsonaro) being endorsed by him (Moura). And you conclusion is there are two extremes anyway, without providing any prove for that statement, so thats all just fine.
 
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Alright, thanks for the context. Bolsanaro always seemed like a scumbag to me but at the same time you are limited to two extremes in Brazil. Either you want to go back to Lulas party or you vote for Bolsanaro.
But of course some people will have an issue with Lucas views, that's just the way it is. It's just ironic when they rationalize it with their own moral superiority and their hate for intolerance. :rolleyes:

I think you need to wind your neck in mate; given that you've already expose your own hypocrisy.
 
Alright, thanks for the context. Bolsanaro always seemed like a scumbag to me but at the same time you are limited to two extremes in Brazil. Either you want to go back to Lulas party or you vote for Bolsanaro.
But of course some people will have an issue with Lucas views, that's just the way it is. It's just ironic when they rationalize it with their own moral superiority and their hate for intolerance. :rolleyes:

Nobody needs to rationalise it with anything .. because that's the exact reason I don't like these views. If not being a fan of out and proud homophobic presidents makes me morally superior, guilty as charged. Not having tolerance for views that directly question the rights of people based on how they were born is just normal. No civil society tolerates these kind of opinions.

I don't hate Lucas, just think it's disappointing if he feels this way. I understand there's different cultural upbringings at play and the state of Brazilian politics perhaps doesn't leave them many options, but endorsing someone who is legitimately proud of his homophobic views is pretty vile.
 
This has all the hallmarks of 'going a bit Özil....' (not that it's a thing)

Politics and footballers rarely mix... And when they do, it usually serves to alienate and divide the fans!

No good will come of this, mark ye mine words!!!

I reckon a polite word in his ear, and inevitable tweet apologising for any offence caused should do the trick, and single handedly sort out the Political mess in Brazil!

There, that was easy!
 
Nobody needs to rationalise it with anything .. because that's the exact reason I don't like these views. If not being a fan of out and proud homophobic presidents makes me morally superior, guilty as charged. Not having tolerance for views that directly question the rights of people based on how they were born is just normal. No civil society tolerates these kind of opinions.
There have been people who whinge about newcastle fans because of their owners but then this is somehow okay. Other people bad , our player good. Double standards.
 
Whataboutism sucks.

"What about bolsanaro killing his political naysayers?"

In response: "What about the previous party?"
Often had issue when people cry "whataboutism", and saw it well described recently as a cheap rhetorical trick. So often used to shoot down reasoned argument/counterpoint or historical precedent.

Not arguing against you re: Bolsonaro.
 
If only we had an off topic section with lots of available threads to discuss political idealism.

I'll sing his name loud and proud as he's a 100% commited Lilywhite. And one who is in our hall of fame at that. I for one hope he hangs around for quite some time yet putting in the effort and getting the confidence of the manager. He's got plenty still to give us.
 
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