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Player Luka Vuskovic

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Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Lol..he isn't going anywhere Bayern are not giving us what we would want. I laugh at how you lot have learned nothing from how easy it is to create stories. You all need the Fattynomates Fattynomates lecture. Its circle we fly the idea of a sale on socials, journalist desperate for story writes copy, gets a quote from a renta gob and here we are. I'll happily take a bet for charity with anyone thinks he plays for Bayern before Spurs. £50 The only exception would be if we have a relegation clause. Which Im pretty sure we wouldn't...
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The thing is the lad is still young , not saying he will spend his whole career at Spurs but he is not even in his prime yet , ill be more worried if he carries on this form with his first season with us and we are not ambitious enough to keep him but to think we sell him before he even plays a game is madness, people need to relax
 
Papafeels said:
Yep. It's as simple as that. Contracts in football are worth nothing. The sources that are drumming this up are his people and Bayern mouth pieces. Not some dweeb on twitter making shit up. Their interest is very real, his people are making it known that he has a very real interest. He has absolutely no affinity to us, and one of the best teams on the planet, who consistently challenge at the top table want him. Bit of a no brainer on his part.

Then the board can give each other rreach arounds for the profit made. I called them a broker to get him from Croatia to Bayern, and that is a very real possibility.

One thing. They better not buy that donkey Palinha.
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Contracts are worth something. They give us the power to tell Bayern to sod off .
 
Perryman said:
Contracts are worth something. They give us the power to tell Bayern to sod off .
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And if he wants to go, and doesn't want to play for us, we have an asset that is damaging to the club. Players hold all the power in today's football world. The ck tract just ensures that we get money for the player. The longer it is, the more leverage the club have, absolutely, but at the end of the day, if Bayern come in with a huge bid, he tells the club he wants to go there and says he doesn't want to stay here, he's going to leave.

We sold our best ever, home grown player because he didn't want to stay. I realise his contract was up the next summer, but he did want out the year before and it fucked us to start the season. It's very damaging to have that sort of atmosphere at a club. Keeping him of he wants out, and we get a big money offer, is not rational.

It sucks ass because he's obviously going to be world class, if he's not already that's just how football works.
 
Contracts count for nothing suddenly? How on earth did we keep Kane for 2 extra seasons then after he flashed his arse at Man City? Or Modric for an extra season after he said he no like chicken badge? And these were big name players on high wages trying very hard to get out of the club.

Why do people suddenly think an 18 year old on 10k a week is in a position to force himself out of Spurs when he has 4.5 years left on his contract?? I don't get it.

The club has a LOT of power here and contracts DO matter. Big name players on high wages can throw their weight around and try to force moves but Vuskovic isn't even a first teamer yet and he's on peanuts. He can't force shit.
 
Wellsey said:
I'm going tomorrow night and whatever the result or how shit we are I wont be booing.
I've only done it once when Ramon fucking Vega was playing and we were 0-3 down to Fulham by half-time. He was taken off!
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I was at that game... League Cup... it was Perry that was taken off. I'm sure Vega came on in the second half but we were poor that night...
 
Timberwolf said:
Contracts count for nothing suddenly? How on earth did we keep Kane for 2 extra seasons then after he flashed his arse at Man City? Or Modric for an extra season after he said he no like chicken badge? And these were big name players on high wages trying very hard to get out of the club.

Why do people suddenly think an 18 year old on 10k a week is in a position to force himself out of Spurs when he has 4.5 years left on his contract?? I don't get it.

The club has a LOT of power here and contracts DO matter. Big name players on high wages can throw their weight around and try to force moves but Vuskovic isn't even a first teamer yet and he's on peanuts. He can't force shit.
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And the club folded to their wanting away. Your point that's he's on £10k a week is also damaging to us. If he wants to go to Bayern, they'll give him mega money. If we don't allow that to happen, we're keeping a player who could be making 10/15x more than his present salary. I'm sure that'll really go over well with him. The only way we'd get him to stay is with a buyout clause, which would likely get activated, but if they get a huge offer for him initially, that makes no sense.

Player power wins now. And the Kane situation in particular derailed our season. Managers didn't want to come because they knew he didn't want to be there after the Gary Neville interview (public sabotage), so we had the embarrassing manager hunt, and consequential Nuno hire because he was 50th choice. He refused to play the first few games and sulked until Conte came. Then the whole season was the Harry Kane media transfer circus.

If Bayern are serious, and he's dead set on the move, he's going to get it.
 
Papafeels said:
And the club folded to their wanting away. Your point that's he's on £10k a week is also damaging to us. If he wants to go to Bayern, they'll give him mega money. If we don't allow that to happen, we're keeping a player who could be making 10/15x more than his present salary. I'm sure that'll really go over well with him. The only way we'd get him to stay is with a buyout clause, which would likely get activated, but if they get a huge offer for him initially, that makes no sense.

Player power wins now. And the Kane situation in particular derailed our season. Managers didn't want to come because they knew he didn't want to be there after the Gary Neville interview (public sabotage), so we had the embarrassing manager hunt, and consequential Nuno hire because he was 50th choice. He refused to play the first few games and sulked until Conte came. Then the whole season was the Harry Kane media transfer circus.

If Bayern are serious, and he's dead set on the move, he's going to get it.
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Completely disagree. The wages work massively in our favour due to the length of his contract - he's gonna be hugely incetivised to sign a contract extension to protect himself finanicially. If he gets crocked while he's on 10k p/w he's fucked himself financally for life.

I really don't think Bayern are gonna make a huge move for him this summer. We'll put down a fat contract extension on the table to massively up his wages. He'll be taking a big risk if he declines. Maybe we even tell him we'll let him go on loan one more year to play with his brother is he extends to sweeten the deal.

We basically have no reason to sell him to Bayern yet as his value's only gonna go up with more gametime, whether it's on loan or at Spurs and for 15-20years we haven't been a club to sell our best young talents early. The contract length also massively works in our favour as we can ask for absurd money and price him out of the market.

Also from his POV - he's only 18 years old. Why rush into the high pressure environment of Bayern where they eat players for breakfast? He can do that later.

I'm positive we won't sell him to Bayern this summer - feel free to quote me on that.

EDIT: well...unless we get relegated
 
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Timberwolf said:
Completely disagree. The wages work massively in our favour due to the length of his contract - he's gonna be hugely incetivised to sign a contract extension to protect himself finanicially. If he gets crocked while he's on 10k p/w he's fucked himself financally for life.

I really don't think Bayern are gonna make a huge move for him this summer. We'll put down a fat contract extension on the table to massively up his wages. He'll be taking a big risk if he declines. Maybe we even tell him we'll let him go on loan one more year to play with his brother is he extends to sweeten the deal.

We basically have no reason to sell him to Bayern yet as his value's only gonna go up with more gametime, whether it's on loan or at Spurs and for 15-20years we haven't been a club to sell our best young talents early. The contract length also massively works in our favour as we can ask for absurd money and price him out of the market.

Also from his POV - he's only 18 years old. Why rush into the high pressure environment of Bayern where they eat players for breakfast? He can do that later.

I'm positive we won't sell him to Bayern this summer - feel free to quote me on that.

EDIT: well...unless we get relegated
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He won't sign a new deal at somewhere he doesn't want to be though. Why give the club any leverage when he doesn't want to be there, if they do indeed refuse a move?

If he throws his toys out of the pram, his people trail is through the media, and down tools, his value will indeed go one way, not the one you hope.

The kid backs himself, he's been one of the best players in the Bundesliga, in his first season, he's clearly ready to play for a big club.

I obviously hope he doesn't want the move, and Bayern's interest is over stated. But I'm a rational person, and the sad reality of modern day football is that players have the power. This is said over and over by ex-pros who are now pundits, they're much more privvy to how things work, so I'm inclined to believe it. And there aren't many examples of players being defined moves by big clubs kick on, stay out for a long time. Sure, it happens, but it's the exception, not the rule. If he wants to go, Bayern offer big money, it's likely he goes there.
 
Papafeels said:
He won't sign a new deal at somewhere he doesn't want to be though. Why give the club any leverage when he doesn't want to be there, if they do indeed refuse a move?

If he throws his toys out of the pram, his people trail is through the media, and down tools, his value will indeed go one way, not the one you hope.

The kid backs himself, he's been one of the best players in the Bundesliga, in his first season, he's clearly ready to play for a big club.

I obviously hope he doesn't want the move, and Bayern's interest is over stated. But I'm a rational person, and the sad reality of modern day football is that players have the power. This is said over and over by ex-pros who are now pundits, they're much more privvy to how things work, so I'm inclined to believe it. And there aren't many examples of players being defined moves by big clubs kick on, stay out for a long time. Sure, it happens, but it's the exception, not the rule. If he wants to go, Bayern offer big money, it's likely he goes there.
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Well we clearly disagree so let's just see how it pans out.

If we're not relegated I'm absolutely certain Vuskovic stays and I think it's pretty likely he signs a new deal. If he pushes we can simply say:

"Sorry mate - you're not leaving yet. But if you extend you can earn 8 x your current salary and sort out your family for life. Or just stay on 10k for the next couple of seasons before we agree to sell you. Your call". As a kid you basically have no choice but to agree to that as the leap financially is so big.

You see very young players extend at clubs all the time for this exact reason. It's literally the reason why clubs like us and Chelsea are buying players so young on long contracts - it's so you have leverage over young talents and can basically force them to stay for a while cos they're on such low starting salaries compared to senior pros.

You're talking about him like he's Kane or Isak. He's a kid on 10k. It's different.
 
Timberwolf said:
Well we clearly disagree so let's just see how it pans out.

If we're not relegated I'm absolutely certain Vuskovic stays and I think it's pretty likely he signs a new deal. If he pushes we can simply say:

"Sorry mate - you're not leaving yet. But if you extend you can earn 8 x your current salary and sort out your family for life. Or just stay on 10k for the next couple of seasons before we agree to sell you. Your call". As a kid you basically have no choice but to agree to that as the leap financially is so big.

You see very young players extend at clubs all the time for this exact reason. It's literally the reason why clubs like us and Chelsea are buying players so young on long contracts - it's so you have leverage over young talents and can basically force them to stay for a while cos they're on such low starting salaries compared to senior pros.

You're talking about him like he's Kane or Isak. He's a kid on 10k. It's different.
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I'm not. But he's the unanimous best upcoming CB in world football. Liverpool are signing a kid for £60m who's been impressing in France. So is getting an offer for ~£80m isn't that unfeasible. Especially one who's head and shoulders above all of the other CB's in that division. That's a fair assumption to make, no?
 
Papafeels said:
I'm not. But he's the unanimous best upcoming CB in world football. Liverpool are signing a kid for £60m who's been impressing in France. So is getting an offer for ~£80m isn't that unfeasible. Especially one who's head and shoulders above all of the other CB's in that division. That's a fair assumption to make, no?
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Yeah but Rennes are a selling club in the French league. Flipping talented young players for a big profit is their model and they've done it loads over recent years with the likes of Doue, Doku etc. It's what they do.

We're meant to be the 9th richest club in the world playing in the PL and haven't sold an upcoming young talent in 15+ years. Certainly not one with 4 years left on their contract before they've even kicked a ball in anger for the first team.

If we actually get a world record bid for a CB from Bayern then sure, maybe he does go cos every player has a price. I'm highly doubtful they'd come in that big, though.
 
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Timberwolf said:
Yeah but Rennes are a selling club in the French league. Flipping talented young players for a big profit is their model and they've done it loads over recent years with the likes of Doue, Doku etc. It's what they do.

We're meant to be the 9th richest club in the world playing in the PL and haven't sold an upcoming young talent in 15+ years. Certainly not one with 4 years left on their contract before they've even kicked a ball in anger for the first team.

If we actually get a world record bid for a CB from Bayern then sure, maybe he does go cos every player has a price. I'm highly doubtful they'd come in that big, though.
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Every world-class player we've had, with the exception of Sonny, we've sold. So not entirely sure I agree with you.

Yeah we're the 9th richest club on the world, but our board doesn't give a flying fuck about sporting excellence, they care about the bottom line. So that's null and void.
Exactly, every player has his price, if the rumoured €100m fee is correct, that's the most expensive CB ever ball park. And relates to my point about that kid from Rennes. He's not got a shade on Vus, and has gone for mental money, Spurs will obviously demand more than that, which is fair given his floor and ceiling.

So again, if Bayern do come in for him in the summer, and he wants to go, it'll be for the top end of most expensive defender ever. What benefit does the club have to keep him unhappy? That's just not how the real world works.
 
Papafeels said:
Every world-class player we've had, with the exception of Sonny, we've sold. So not entirely sure I agree with you.

Yeah we're the 9th richest club on the world, but our board doesn't give a flying fuck about sporting excellence, they care about the bottom line. So that's null and void.
Exactly, every player has his price, if the rumoured €100m fee is correct, that's the most expensive CB ever ball park. And relates to my point about that kid from Rennes. He's not got a shade on Vus, and has gone for mental money, Spurs will obviously demand more than that, which is fair given his floor and ceiling.

So again, if Bayern do come in for him in the summer, and he wants to go, it'll be for the top end of most expensive defender ever. What benefit does the club have to keep him unhappy? That's just not how the real world works.
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And every world class player we had spent at least 2 seasons in the first team. The majority a lot more than that. They were all at least 24 years old when they left. We didn't flog 'em at 18.

That aside, I think I misunderstood your initial premise. If Bayern come in with a world record bid for him this summer - like 100m or whatever - then I'm not sure we're turning that down.

I just think that's a hell of an assumption to make and it's far, far more likely they lowball us or don't come in for him at all. Upamecano is about to sign a new contract, and they've got Tah, Kim and Ito so aren't short at CB.

Max Eberl even talked it down recently, for that reason: Max Eberl does not see the need for Bayern Munich to sign Luka Vuškovic…yet

Personally, I think Bayern are more likely to bide their time, let him develop for a few more years then try and pick him up down the line.
 
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And every world class player we had spent at least 2 seasons in the first team. The majority a lot more than that. They were all at least 24 years old when they left. We didn't flog 'em at 18.

That aside, I think I misunderstood your initial premise. If Bayern come in with a world record bid for him this summer - like 100m or whatever - then I'm not sure we're turning that down.

I just think that's a hell of an assumption to make and it's far, far more likely they lowball us or don't come in for him at all. Upamecano is about to sign a new contract, and they've got Tah, Kim and Ito so aren't short at CB.

Max Eberl even talked it down recently, for that reason: Max Eberl does not see the need for Bayern Munich to sign Luka Vuškovic…yet

Personally, I think Bayern are more likely to bide their time, let him develop for a few more years then try and pick him up down the line.
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Agree- Vusk won't be signing any kind of extension with us. If anything, it'll just be a contract upgrade to try and keep him happy for the remaining years he is here.
 
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